UEFA Competitions: Referee discussions 2025-2026 [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by balu, Jul 30, 2025.

  1. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    He'd be "wasted" if he's put on the Italy/Norway game because of the gigantic goal differential. Norway could lose 12-0 and still win the group.

    If results go as expected on Sunday, I can see him doing the match between undefeated Austria and second place Bosnia on Tuesday.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assignments are already made. But that could be one option, yes.

    For some reason I think Scotland-Denmark will have a French referee, so that's another option. Feel like that's either Turpin, Letexier or Marciniak.

    With Italy/Norway, UEFA needs to insure against the possibility that Norway might drop points to Estonia. It seems unlikely, but the return leg was only 0-1 and if it became a must-win match, you can't have someone second tier there. So I'm very interested to see what UEFA comes up with. I could see it someone "big" like Taylor or Makkelie where UEFA will trust them if it's a huge match but won't care about using them if it's not. But it could also be someone a little closer to how ever you classify the second tier, like Siebert or Meler.
     
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  3. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Is Meler even in play with all the drama in Turkey right now?
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hadn't seen his name but also wasn't looking for it. Presumed it would have been noted if he was wrapped up in it.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Notable Saturday:

    OLIVER on Bosnia-Herzegovina : Romania
    GIL MANZANO on Greece : Scotland
    TURPIN on Slovenia : Kosovo
    SCHNYDER on Cyprus : Austria

    Really no way to predict any of these and say they are "expected" until you see the entire cohort and evaluate where everyone landed. But, on the whole, nothing stands out here as crazy. Turpin's name did hit me for a second, but the playoff race in that group is very real if Slovenia wins there; for that matter, I now expect big names in the final two matches of Group B, too (Kosovo at home to Switzerland for a chance at direct World Cup qualification could be rather spicy, if that's the scenario that unfolds; if Turpin is on MD5, it's got to be another huge name in Kosovo on MD6).
     
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  6. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Ireland leading Portugal 2-0 with a half hour left… if this result holds, then Ireland vs Hungary on MD6 will be MASSIVE: winner would advance to the playoffs (at least), loser would be out.
    Ukraine vs Iceland is also in a similar situation if this France 1-0 lead on Ukraine holds.

    Meanwhile Albania have yet to score in Andorra, meaning Serbia’s lifeline would still be alive, with Albania to play England MD6.
     
  7. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Hilarious straight red for Ronaldo btw. Very on-brand.
     
  8. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    #133 MetroFever, Nov 13, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2025
    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Had to make a predictable scene before finally leaving.

    If it's reported as VC (what else would it be?), he would miss his WC opener, in addition to their next qualifier:

     
  9. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    I just need to know how the ref saw that at all and initially gave yellow. No card, I can see, but if you see that at all, what other color could it be?
     
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  10. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could see how from the R's angle it could look like he was shaking off the defender more than hitting him. His arms were low and swinging.
    For comparison, in MLS last week with Suarez' kick. It was a similar play, off the ball on a cross, apparently seen by the R or AR, and they gave it as a foul (not even a card) and that was waaay worse than this. Somehow they saw enough of it to be a foul, but not a red. Ditto here, somehow they saw enough of it to be a yellow (probably the flailing), but not a red. Unlike MLS, the VAR saved the day.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I also think in the current day and age there's more of a "if you're unsure, go yellow" feeling to these sort of things. I also think ARs are more likely to say "I've got enough for yellow, but didn't see it all clearly" or some variation. All because of VAR, of course. Doesn't make it right and it's not technically taught, but it's better than the alternative in a lot of ways. The days of "it's either red or nothing" feel like they are kind of behind us except for a very narrow set of incidents.

    That's what was a little weird about the Suarez one. Enough for a foul, but no misconduct is a weird one. But in that case, it was a trail AR or 4th saving the day and Chapman not really seeing any of it at all, so I get how it happened.
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MD6, Sunday posted: https://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2025/11/202526-fifa-wc-european-qualifiers_14.html

    Notable:

    ESKAS on Hungary : Republic of Ireland
    PELJTO on Portugal : Armenia

    TAYLOR on Ukraine : Iceland

    HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ on Italy : Norway

    Hernandez Hernandez is an interesting way to have solved the Italy problem. I think he fits as an insurance policy, though it also seems like quite a big risk if Norway had dropped points. So I guess the answer here is UEFA bet pretty strongly that Norway wouldn't drop points.

    Taylor makes total sense.

    Eskas gets a big one now. He fits.

    Peljto is interesting but he's on the border for the WC, you'd think. And prior to yesterday, you would have bet Portugal at home wouldn't matter. So either UEFA made a good bet here (holding an Elite referee for a game that could have been meaningless) or perhaps Peljto isn't held in as high regard as we think at the moment? Or, with Bosnia still alive and other conflicts due to prior assignments, he just sort of fit here. Still, Portugal just needs one point so I think overall you'd have to think he'd be personally disappointed with this assignment at the moment. I still imagine he gets a playoff match, though.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lest anyone think Dale's replacement would be a marked improvement, what with his Championship referee pedigree, his first international window and he uncorks--verbatim--my single biggest pet peeve LOTG myth. To wit:

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/46962874/var-review-why-was-cristiano-ronaldo-sent-portugal

    No. No, it doesn't. It says absolutely nothing of the sort. How on earth do high-level accomplished professional referees repeat this? He's supposed to be explaining things to the masses and he asserts something that is totally untrue.
     
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  14. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    Checking the IFAB website, the “strikes or attempts to strike” language is part of the DFK offenses definition. I think this myth must be pretty pervasive, I feel like I’ve heard that statement many times before.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Notable Monday:

    LETEXIER on Germany : Slovakia

    And that's really it. Monday is a weirdly unimportant day.

    MELER is on Montenegro : Croatia, which is a tough affair but irrelevant insofar as qualifications implications go. But notable he's working given the questions about Turkey.
     
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  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember someone telling me a long time ago that you can't really "strike" someone without using excessive force. That is clearly no longer the philosophy, if it even ever was, but that's the sort of mindset that breeds the misconception.
    It's definitely not what the Law states either now or back then.
     
  17. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I that it also captures, but misstates, an important concept: up can have VC without contact: an attempt at VC is VC. But it then garbles by plopping in striking instead of sticking with the language relating to VC.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. That was always the explanation for anyone who actually stood by it or tried to find a justification when pressed.

    All these people lived in a world, of course, where flailing arms and accidental hands to the face were simply countenanced on the field because, since they weren't red cards, they obviously couldn't be fouls. After all it's impossible to carelessly strike someone. Nevermind that we've had literal instruction on what reckless striking is for the past 20+ years.
     
  19. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Gonna be a lot of meaningful MD6 matches....going to be interesting to see how they get assigned:

    Group A - Slovakia @ Germany.....Germany clinches group with home win or draw
    Group B - no meaningful matches
    Group C - Denmark @ Scotland....Scotland needs home win to win the group
    Group D - Iceland @ Ukraine....Ukraine needs home win to avoid elimination
    Group E - no meaningful matches
    Group F - Ireland @ Hungary....Ireland needs away win to avoid elimination
    Group G - no important matches
    Group H - Bosnia @ Austria....Austria clinches group with home win or draw
    Group I - no meaningful matches
    Group J - North Macedonia @ Wales - North Macedonia needs away win or draw to avoid elimination
    Group K - no meaningful matches
    Group L - no meaningful matches

    So six meaningful matches where the outcome would lead to a team qualifying or being eliminated.
     
  20. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Group A - Slovakia @ Germany.....Germany clinches group with home win or draw (LETEXIER)
    Group C - Denmark @ Scotland....Scotland needs home win to win the group
    Group D - Iceland @ Ukraine....Ukraine needs home win to avoid elimination (TAYLOR)
    Group F - Ireland @ Hungary....Ireland needs away win to avoid elimination (ESKAS)
    Group H - Bosnia @ Austria....Austria clinches group with home win or draw
    Group J - North Macedonia @ Wales - North Macedonia needs away win or draw to avoid elimination

    So who gets the three big Tuesday matches? Gotta think Marciniak gets one of them.....
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marciniak, Zwayer, Makkelie, and Pinherio are the four best referees who are unassigned.

    Siebert and Scharer also, but both appear injured. Massa is, at this point, a second-tier alternative.

    Also, North Macedonia is through to the playoffs now. That match, while interesting, is only actually relevant if Belgium loses to Liechtenstein at home, which is, of course, not happening. But UEFA wouldn't have known that when it made the assignment.

    I'd expect Marciniak in Vienna and Zwayer in Glasgow. Makkelie in Cardiff.

    Remember that the Group B matches could have both been relevant if results went a little differently (both within and without the group, given Sweden's weird position in the larger landscape). And none of those four teams are exactly minnows. So you'll probably see some halfway decent names there, maybe even Pinherio. Hard to say.

    But I think the Austria and Scotland matches are the two that were always certain to be consequential, so that's where I'd expect your two top referees to land.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Same group, terrible decision. We could use VAR to catch and punish cheating or, I suppose, we could not. Choosing the latter is an interesting option.

    https://www.streambug.io/cv/c28e86
     
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  24. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    You're right....missed that....both N.Macedonia and Wales won their Nations League groups....my bad.
     
  25. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
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    Seems crazy to me that, besides being a terrible non-intervention in and of itself, that the VAR didn't take into account the (understandably) bad position that the referee had when he gave a penalty.

    It isn't like the call was made thanks to 'brilliant' insight that the referee had on the FoP of something that the angles available missed! I think this piece of work could cost the VAR a place at the WC.
     
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