What’s the difference between the Fermin-Musso incident in the first half and the last second penalty VAR decision in Atalanta-Dortmund? Both Dortmund CB and Musso get the ball but at the cost of making the opposition player bleed after making close contact.
Let’s be fair here, the trailing defender’s location to the foul made this a lot closer than “a basic decision”. It wasn’t like the attacker was running free with no one else near him
What do we think about the on the possible keeper handball, possible keeper back pass at the end? If it were the latter, I don't think VAR could have intervened, of course.
I'm never giving that DOGSO live. From the R's perspective It's just a straight guess whether the covering defender was close enough. Even with the video if the defender is 2 yards closer red would be incorrect.
Well, because if Turpin goes yellow and the VAR says it’s not clear and obvious, at least Atletico still has a dangerous free kick. AR blew this one. It wasn’t that close. He turned it into a defensive IFK. If VAR can’t get to clear and obvious, that’s much much worse.
His other AR had to be bailed out by VAR on a pretty expected decision (at that level) when Barca thought they had scored to make it 3-1. Attacker was pretty clearly ahead of the 2LD when shot was taken. Two decisions that ARs should get right at this level.
Guys. It's not even close. It's a clear red card. I knew as soon as I watched live that a) the attacker was onside and b) It's DOGSO if it's a foul. Some of you are turning into US soccer assessors in the 2000s and early 2010s where they were so rigid with the 4Ds. "Well it's not DOGSO because the direction component was there as the attacker was 5 degrees away from goal instead of going straight towards goal." Everyone in the stadium thought a red card was coming.
Honest it wasn't anybody's best game. Numerous corners miscalled as goal kicks as well. It was a pretty chippy game, Not the easiest to call, but also I thought some of the foul consistency was lacking.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...-uefa-complaints-ucl-officiating-joan-laporta Feels like these type of complaints are more and more common. Also, is Laporta reading this forum in regards to complaints about the fairly obvious and expected DOGSO red cards? Using @MassachusettsRef devil's advocate arguments? Remember how VAR was supposed to quell officiating controversies? Instead it increases them because you have two layers you can complain about now instead of one. When the ref makes a decision you like, but it gets overturned you blame the VAR. Who didn't see this coming? In a sport with such small margins, VAR has magnified even the marginal decisions that were never seriously controversial because there is a fail safe of VAR intervening. Before, an innocuous challenge that could be a penalty after replay was never controversial if not given. Everyone would go "we've seen those given" and move on. Now, when you lose by one goal any potentially penalty appeal that you can plausibly say is a penalty can be maximized to the nth degree if the clubs want that. Before you wouldn't be happy with the judgement of a referee who had one second to make a decision in real time. Now, you're unhappy at the judgement of an official who has 5 minutes to make a decision after reviewing it from multiple angles.
It would really be nice if the UEFA refs could unionize and refuse to referee Barcelona matches moving forward
Well, it's the home crowd, so yes. And I was very often the referee pushing back against those assessors, so there's some irony here for me personally. I want to be clearer on what I'm saying. I think this is has to be a red card per the Laws and instruction. Like, you, I expected it live and was surprised when Turpin pulled yellow (then more surprised when a flag went up). I thought red was the likely outcome the entire way. And I'm saying this because the components for DOGSO are all checked individually in a pretty clear manner. Instruction and Law get me to red here; I'm not using it to wiggle out. I am saying that I think this much less of an obvious GSO than a snapshot of the moment of the foul would suggest. A very fast attacker is closing at an angle that makes it seem he will challenge before a very good shot can be taken. In theory, yeah, maybe that should matter. But because he's chasing from behind and at a decent interval laterally, it can't be enough to negate the expected call.
Why do I bother engaging this, but I will. Can you stop everytime there is some complaint from teams or players or some aggressive posturing from teams where you propose that referees go vigilante to try and extract some justice of their own? Boycott teams, go on strike, give a million cards on their next game, etc. Criticism from presidents, players, fans, and teams is part of the job. That's what the money is for. Unless it is something so egregious, governing bodies won't do any material punishment to teams because they are the ones that pay bills and it's why we watch and why there are games to officiate.
Because it’s funny to imagine one of these big clubs who come out and constantly criticize and demean referees and blame them for losses (Real Madrid and Barcelona) get boycotted and then the club has to formally apologize or not have referees. Same when replacement refs come in and perform like absolute crap, it makes people appreciate the regulars more. I know how the system works, of course it will never happen. Just would be funny to see.
Vincic man on that 2CT....He looks like a referee who is doing his 5th game of the day and has just had enough not a CL quarter-final level on aggregate at 3-3 between Real and Bayern.
Imagine giving a 2CT for DR in a major European match and not realizing it was a red card when you gave the yellow. Then imagine doing it again four years later.
Semifinal assignments are going to be fascinating. UEFA almost has to use a Spaniard somewhere now. Maybe Mariani, too? Are Vincic and Kovacs still viable after their performances? Siebert, Oliver, Turpin, Letexier, Makkelie and even Taylor could fit into the puzzle on merit, but not necessarily with these teams. And can you risk saving one of your three big names for the final now or would they have to do a semi leg 1? This will either be the weakest crop of semifinal referees in a long time OR UEFA is going to throw our some rules and/or look the other way on some performances.
Curious the mental gymnastics of how this isn't a penalty? The attacker wasn't going to get to get to the ball? I will say that Letexier somehow sold that decision beautifully. Whatever he said, looks like it worked.
Taylor and/or Oliver is a lock on leg 1 of PSG vs. Bayern. Turpin and/or Letexier is a lock on leg 1 of Arsenal vs. Atletico. That's going to be football terrorism (although Atletico play more football than they used to in the past). Second legs are anyone's guess. Probably Spanish and Italian referees.
He was either saying it was the second time he did that OR the foul plus the delay required a card. He gives the yellow and then turns his back to walk away. He has NO idea it was a red card.
Sad that a player can do blatant unnecessary time wasting and people just criticize the ref for it because of the level/status of the game. This is why the problem is so widespread with the sport. Don’t punish it, people complain about it happening. Do punish it, it ends up being a second yellow, people complain about how could you do that in a game like this.