UEFA Competitions 2023-2024 Referee Discussions [Rs]

FWIW more and more training has been delivered throughout this calendar year about just how dangerous studs to the achilles are. When you combine how late the challenge is, where the point of contact is, the force transferred into the achilles, it's hard to say the tacvkle doesn't endanger the safety of the opponent. I assume this is an expected red card, including in MLS regular season games.

 

In the Sevilla-PSV match a red card was given that turned the match upside down, Sevilla were leading 2-0 and ended with a 2-3 defeat.
A PSV attacker was hit by the body of the defending player in a way you could describe as obstruction, causing the attacker to fall.
The red card was in my eyes undeserved. When he attacked the PSV player his foot got stuck in the pitch, which made his body charge into the PSV player. He injured himself when his foot got stuck.
So he received a second yellow, thus a red card.
Is this still a case of second yellow, and if not could the VAR intervene with the red card given to be rescinded.

 

I wanted to call this out because this is a really horrible example. Statistically its meaningless. You've shown that pre VAR there was 1 red card for abusive language in 4000 matches, and then using an example of there being 1 in the 1900 matches since VAR. So? What if there's not another one for another 3000 matches? Then under VAR there will have been 1 in 4900 matches, or a longer period than your pre-VAR example.

And even if there is a second one, its statistical noise. Its like the Marketing Director at an old job that came down and told us we had to change the website back from the change we made that morning because we weren't getting as many leads today as we had been. When we asked how many leads we got versus how many we normally got she said we only got 2 that day, but normally we get 3.

If we're getting 4, 5, or 10 red cards for this in a similar time, then there's a point to be made. But not before that.

 

Same thing we've been saying all day... no matter if the ref is right, you'll do get unhappy people. But now they at least can blame VAR for not intervening in something they aren't empowered to check...

 

We obviously see different things. You didnot see his right foot dig into the pitch, causing a visible tear in the grass, locking his foot, making his body out of control?

 

I'm Dutch, the decision was favourable for us, so not complaining.
Second it was a question if it is possible for the VAR to intervene, given it's a red card. From your response I get the answer to my question is no.

 

Ocampos first yellow card in 63' for dissent, second yellow card in 66' for the foul. In succession in the CBS highlights, starting from around 8:10.

Sevilla collectively are well inclined to complain about referee decisions, particularly of late. No complaints about the second yellow. Fernando did get sent off at the very end of the match--he had been substituted off earlier so it must have been for something he said to the match officials. That incident is not included in the highlights.

 

Extremely late, studs somewhat forcefully into the Achilles. Easy SFP red card and would be shambolic if they didn’t send this down especially with recent emphasis on studs to Achilles challenges

https://dubz.co/v/9sdhh8
This is a clear yellow card. Not even debatable. And VAR does not review second yellows only straight reds.

 

Anyone besides me think that var only overturned Bayern's penalty today because of the blowback yesterday from PSG versus Newcastle?

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VAR will not intervene on second yellows because VAR does not intervene on yellow card decisions. Only exception is in cases of mistaken identity.

But, more to the point, the Sevilla player Ocampo simply lost his head and let the emotions get the best of him. Both referee decisions to caution him are not only supportable, but correct and expected decisions on video.

Ocampo's first caution in the 63' is for losing his mind and publicly dissenting an AR decision to award the goal kick rather than corner. I should note that the decision was a difficult one and (on slow-mo replay) the ball definitely came off Ocampo's own right shin before crossing the goal line. Difficult decision, referee got it right; Ocampo dissented in a way that it required the referee to deal with it. Caution correct.

About two minutes later Chelsea has the ball attacking the Sevilla end when Ocampo goes in to a challenge, late, with moderate speed, and trips the Chelsea player (who is trying to avoid contact so the contact is less severe than it otherwise would be). The Chelsea player had passed the ball to a teammate for a 1-2 give-and-go into space and the tackle was both reckless and stopped a promising attack. Second yellow correct.

 

I'm one of the people who supported the idea of VAR when it started but I will agree with the general feeling here that is has gone far beyond the idea of fixing egregious mistakes and is no longer good for the game.

That said, I do not support just getting rid of VAR and going back to what was. There needs to be an option to still catch those egregious mistakes, the game has to evolve to fix that problem. But only that problem.

 

Well, from this angle I'm inclined to follow the opinions I did read now. From another angle it looked like he crashed into Vertessen after his foot locked up in the pitch.

 

Which is why I started a thread to discuss ways to improve VAR

 

The irony of someone saying “well now that I see a different angle, my initial opinion was wrong” in a thread where we are al trashing VAR?

 

The R owns the review process. If he doesn’t think the angle or speed is right, it’s his job to ask for what he wants. That doesn’t mean the VAR is off the hook, but the R remains responsible.

 

Understood.....which is why it will be interesting to see if Marciniak is also "punished" by not having a MD6 assignment (or a much less important one).

 

https://www.streambug.io/cv/c23fdb

 

That one I could see being a PK quite easily, surprised it wasn't given tbh.

 

Kwiatkowski - Marciniak's VAR - has been appointed as VAR for Freiburg - Olympiakos today, in case anyone missed it.

 

Oy vey