U23 Players in MLS this year - 2003 Regular Season Totals

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Nutmeg, Oct 26, 2003.

  1. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    [b][Color=blue]Chicago Fire[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Beasley   	22	1969	7	5	19
    Mapp      	21	1384	3	3	9
    Jaqua      	20	712	2	2	6
    Gray       	28	1910	2	1	5
    Capano   	5	122	0	0	0
    Pause     	23	1354	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          119	7451	14	11	39[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]Columbus Crew[/color][/b]			
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Martino   	22	1765	2	4	8
    Buddle     	21	1509	10	4	24
    Akwari     	11	488	0	0	0
    Perea      	1	34	0	0	0
    Ritch       	3	21	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          58	3817	12	8	32[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]Colorado Rapids[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Beckerman	28	2124	0	5	5
    Borchers  	23	2101	0	0	0
    Trembly   	16	1112	1	1	3
    Schmidt   	13	363	0	2	2
    [b]Totals          80	5700	1	8	10[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]Dallas Burn[/color][/b]			
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Countess 	24	2194	0	0	0
    Davis      	26	1910	6	5	17
    Johnson   	22	1265	3	0	6
    Stone     	16	1057	0	0	0
    Salyer     	8	491	0	0	0
    Urbas      	3	40	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          99	6957	9	5	23[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]D.C. United[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Convey   	19	1576	2	1	5
    Quaranta 	12	738	1	3	5
    Eskandarian	23	728	3	2	8
    Warren    	5	404	0	0	0
    Barclay    	3	113	0	0	0
    Perea      	1	4	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          63	3563	6	6	18[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]Kansas City Wizards[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Burciaga  	4	347	0	0	0
    Jewsbury 	2	61	0	0	0
    [b]Totals           6	408	0	0	0[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]Los Angeles Galaxy[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Lewis      	13	798	0	0	0
    Gonzalez  	6	129	0	0	0
    Gomez     	1	5	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          20	932	0	0	0[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]New York/New Jersey Metrostars[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Clark       	28	2590	3	1	7
    Magee     	29	1709	7	2	16
    Regan     	15	747	0	0	0
    Gaven     	12	691	1	1	3
    Arena      	10	458	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          94	6195	11	4	26[/b]
    [b][Color=blue]San Jose Earthquakes[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Donovan  	22	1882	12	6	30
    Alvarez    	15	655	1	1	3
    Walker    	19	365	4	0	8
    Levesque 	3	43	0	0	0
    [b]Totals          59	2945	17	7	41[/b]
    In case you were wondering, as far as I can tell, New England has the dubious distinction of being the only team this year to not even field an Olympic age-elligible player. Blame Nicol. Here would be my 2003 regular-season All-MLS 11:





    I think Burciaga is a shoe-in on the back line if he doesn't get hurt, replacing Akwari. I also have Beckerman, Brad Davis, and Justin Mapp as 1st choice subs.

    Factor in Casey, Yi, and Onyewu, and I think the team has pretty much taken shape. Compared to our last Olympic team, this one has so much more experience it truly is remarkable. Whether or not Bruce Arena's hand-picked coach (and team) can duplicate Clive & Co's 4th place finish, we'll see.
  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    You left out a few players:

    Jake LeBlanc of the Metros, Curt Spiteri of the Fire (after seeing the tape, I understand why you left him out), Clint Baumstark of MLS who played for and is currently with United, and Jesus Ochoa of the Galaxy.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Beckerman's goal total was much less than five.
  3. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    Thanks Nutmeg for compiling this list. Looking into the future it seems our biggest problem seems to be defense.
  4. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    [b][Color=blue]Colorado Rapids[/color][/b]
    [b][u]Player_Name	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Points[/b][/u]
    Beckerman	28	2124	0	5	5
    But yes, Spiteri had an awful game last night.

    SgtSchultz, you're welcome.
  5. juventino3

    juventino3 Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    Any of you guys get to see Jaqua play last night? You can't help but be impressed with his foot skills. The guy is a friggin' goliath. He should be in the picture for the Olympic team.
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Jaqua has really come on strong the last part of the season. For a long time, I think Fire fans were critical of taking him so high (3rd overall) in the draft but I doubt they feel that strongly about that point now.

    What impresses me is here is this 6-3 kid who has been a striker his whole life motoring up and down the right flank. It's not just that he has the pace to play out there (though I suspect some smaller, fast players in the Beasley mode would give him fits) but that he does the work on defense and is comfotable taking guys on 1-v-1 and crossing.

    With the much-discussed question mark at rght mid for the 23s, I think this is a guy who has totally played himself into the picture for Mooch.

    Changing gears, I agree with Nutmeg that the amount of experience this U23 pool has is impressive.

    I mean, four years ago, kids who were having strong seasons in college the year before the Olympics were a huge part of the Olympic pool (Califf, Vagenas, Victorine, Adin Brown, Conor Casey, Denton). This year, kids like Knox Cameron, Adolfo Gregorio, Steve Cronin, Matt Taylor and Chad Marshall are having tremendous college seasons and have almost no chance of making the Olympic team.

    The only college player who has a chance is Wingert and even that is no sure thing.)

    What impresses me most about the current pool is the depth of talent that won't make the team.

    Here's a hypotherical U23 team 18-man roster, in bold, with the players at those positions who aren't picked in italics.

    Donovan, Casey, Buddle, E. Johnson

    (Eskandarian, Jaqua, Jamil Walker, Quaranta, Magee, Cooper, Karbassiyoon)

    Martino, Clark, Beckerman, Mapp, Convey, Beasley

    (Davis, Stone, Pause, Carroll, D. Johnson, Trembly, Testo, Gaven, Barclay, Alvarez, Ochoa, Capano, LeBlanc)

    Onyewu, Yi, Whitbread, Lewis, Gray, Wingert

    (Borchers, Simek, Akwari, Burciaga, Regan, Salyer, Stokes, Arena)

    Countess, Warren

    (Saunders, Spiteri, Baumstark, Yelldell)

    In years past, the guys in italics would have been locks to make the Olympic team (and some still will) but this year most won't.
  7. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Nutmeg, thanks for compiling these numbers.

    Just looking at these numbers provides some interesting items for comparison, some (or most) of which may be kinda meaningless, but which struck me as semi-interesting/fascinating.

    --The team with the best regular season record (Fire) was the team that got the most minutes (7400+) out of their U23 players.

    --The team with the worst regular season record, the Burn, was the team with the second most minutes from the U23 group.

    --Only two teams -- the best (Fire) and the worst (Burn) had 4 U23 players with over 1000 minutes each.

    --Most appearances overall? Mike Magee.

    --Fewest minutes with 20 appearances or more? Nate Jacqua. Second: Alecko Escandarian.

    --Most minutes with less than 20 appearances? Bobby Convey. Second: Seth Trembly.

    --"Making the most of your minutes" award -- indisputably goes to Jamil Walker with 4 goals in under 400 minutes.

    --Players with goals but no assists? Walker, Ed Johnson.

    --Players with assists but not goals? Beckerman, Schmidt.

    --Fewest appearances? Perea and Gomez (each 1).

    --Of the the 39 U23 players, only 4 got 2000 minutes or more -- Beckerman, Borchers, Countess, and Clark.

    --Duos on teams that had more minutes combined than the entire U23 contingent on the San Jose Earthquakes. Beckerman & Borchers; Clark & Magee; Countess & Davis; Davis & Johnson; Martino & Buddle; Mapp & Gray.
  8. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    thats some good stuff. Thanks Nutmeg.

    Is Convey still a shoe-in starter?
  9. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You forgot Carroll and Stokes from D.C.

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    Great job, Ray. :rolleyes:

    Does the SPL still have a rule where teams have to have a certain amount of U-21 or U-23 players? I'd love to see MLS do that.
  10. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999

    I think the most interesting data from this is that the two top teams in both conferences, Chicago and San Jose, got more points from their U23's than any other team. It's not whether or not you simply have and play your young guys, it's how you play them that matters. Sarachan and Yallop have done a better job of putting their young guys in positions where they can be successful than any other two coaches in the league.

    That's why San Jose and Chicago are the teams to beat this year.

    Another piece of information that I found pretty insightful was the "almost Olympic" group - the 80's. It seemed like there were quite a few players from that year who have had significant impact in MLS at a young age, but missed the Oly cutoff by very little. Players in that group include Noonan, Roner, Dunivant, etc.
  11. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    You could put together a pretty good team with just the 80s. Here are the ones who played in MLS or are in Europe.

    Davy Arnaud (6/22)
    Matt Behncke (2/20)
    Chris Brunt (1/1)
    Dan Califf (3/17)
    Chris Carrieri (4/28)
    Matt Crawford (8/20)
    Todd Dunivant (12/26)
    Cory Gibbs (1/14)
    Taylor Graham (6/3)
    Ryan Futagaki (1/17)
    Zach Kingsley (1/18)
    Marshall Leonard (12/18)
    Jeff Matteo (8/8)
    Pat Noonan (8/2)
    Chris Roner (3/4)
    Jeff Stewart (6/21)
    Arturo Torres (12/11)
    Taylor Twellman (2/29)

    Intersting that if Dunivant, Leoanard and Torres were all born just a bit later, we'd have a lot fewer questions about left back and right mid.
  12. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Of course, San Jose's numbers are "skewed" somewhat by the presence of LD, whereas the Fire are more "balanced" in that regard, though they too had the benefit of a key senior team guy.

    I think it's also instructive to remember that the Fire basically had no choice but to go with the "youth is served" movement. Nowak, Stoitchkov, and Kovalenko were gone, victims of age/salary cap; Marsch was hurt most of early part of the season; Faria was out of the picture due to unfortunate visa/family problems; Razov coming off off injury/suspension; Armas was coming off his ACL tear.

    Going into the season, things looked dicey indeed. So, for the kids, it was frying pan into the REAL fire, as Dave threw them out there to sink or swim. (Sometimes I love mixin' those metaphors!, and yes, Dave did a great job of deploying them).

    What is remarkable is how so many of these guys stepped up to the plate. (there, I'll stop now).
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Karl, were those kids on the Fire taking it one game at a time, giving 110 percent and just trying to help the team?
  14. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are not seriously suggesting that Torres would be a threat to start at right midfield for the Olympic team if eligible?
  15. asdf

    asdf New Member

    Mar 1, 1999
    That's a darn good line-up. The big question, as discussed in another thread, is how many of these guys are going to play since there is a World Cup qualifier in the middle of the Olympics. Will Donovan and Beasley in particular and maybe others even be there.
  16. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting set of player options. Just out of curiousity, what is the latest take on Casey? I must say that during the last Olympics, I felt he had some basic soccer flaws that would not allow him to rise to a high professional level. My sense (based on a total lack of tangible evidence combined with what I can read between the lines from Germany div. 2 game reports) is that there are a variety of new choices who have surpassed anything Casey has to offer, Magee in particular.
  17. Bambule GK

    Bambule GK New Member

    Aug 16, 2000
    The ATL
    Other interesting thing is going to be what the "brain trust" decides to do with the 3 overage players.

    Solidy that backline (Boca, Pope)? Look for a steadying influence in the middle (Armas)? Or maybe a goal-scorer (TT)?

    Or just leave it alone and let the team go as a straight U-23?

    (I'd prefer the later, fwiw).
  18. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Qualification MUST be with a U-23 squad. The overage option is only for the Olympics itself. Let's qualify first, then see who's healthy, who's available, and what the team needs are before worrying about overage players. Friedel was added 3 years ago only after Adin Brown was hurt and Clive and Co. decided to upgrade the goalkeeping.
  19. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Arsenal FC
    Perea had 2 appearances. One with DC and one with Columbus.
  20. Bambule GK

    Bambule GK New Member

    Aug 16, 2000
    The ATL

    Yeah, of course you're right.

    Part of what I'm driving at is whether, with that talent, we should just keep it a U-23 team. I'm pretty sure Spain and Brazil did that last Olys.

    I just like the idea of not adding in dudes like Hejduk at the last minute (I'm not a Hejduk basher, not my point).
  21. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    My 18 man roster.








  22. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    I still think there will be one or two young guys in MLS next year that surprise us and make the team. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Klaas from UW make a strong case at Right Back, especially considering our lack of a clear frontrunner at the position (Gooch in my mind is still a toss-up between central and outside defender).

    On the Olympic team, we have two positions that are still completely up in the air - right back and right midfield. If two U20's perform well in MLS or elsewhere next year, they might make a quick jump up to the Olympic team.
  23. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I respectfully disagree. In the midfield, we have Convey, Clark, Martino, Beasley, Beckerman and potentially even Donovan. Any Under 20 would have to have a great year in MLS to break into this group, even if they happen to be more comfortable at that position. The coaches will figure something out about right midfield rather than use some player of lower quality. The only exceptions are Eddie Johnson because of his exceptional physical gifts combined with skill and Santino Quarenta for his exceptional skill. But even they are really longshots.

    As for right back, I know Kelly Gray can play there now and Gooch sure could two years ago. I think it is a real long shot that a collegian like Klaas, despite whatever gifts he has, could jump ahead of a great talent like Gooch and a guy like Gray who starts for the best team in the league.
  24. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    For a bit of history, Kelly Gray had a hard time getting minutes earlier in the season, but has seen lots more time as the year has progressed.

    The real plus for the Fire is that he is very versatile, and can move from defense to midfield and back again easily. I don't know whether he is fast enought to playin the back at the senior international level but that versatility will lmake him an attactive candidate.

    He has played quite of bit of right back for the Fire, and has done well, thought I would argue that in doing so he playing "out of position."

    When Bocanegra goes overseas, Kelly I think will slide right into his position. If that happens next year, then he will surely get a couple thousand minutes in MLS and his career will contiue its upward arc.
  25. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Here's Mooch and Klaas talking about it.

    *Myernick said it will be difficult for players on the current U20 team whom he hasn’t already brought in to crack his 18-man roster after they return from the UAE.

    “I think there’s a couple of them who could, based on the reports of how some of them do (at the World Youth Championship), raise or lower their stock for preparing for Mexico. But there’s already a pretty decent pool, particularly with the 81s and 82s. Any 84s are going to have to be absolutely exceptional to get in.”



    Also factoring into the players’ decision to turn pro is the 2004 Olympics, which the U.S. U23 team is attempting to qualify for early next year (assuming it wins a home and away preliminary qualifying round with St. Kitts in November).

    “Most definitely, the Olympics are a big role in my decision.,” said Klaas. “It’s going to be hard for us on the U20 team to crack that roster, especially, for us who are still in school. If we turn pro there’s a chance we could show well and still make the team but it will be impossible if we’re still in college.”


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