PBP: U18s at UEFA Friendship Cup (June 2025): Tournament and Match Discussion

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, May 26, 2025.

  1. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    I know, just giving context for this game.
     
  2. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
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  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #28 Dave Marino-Nachison, Jun 7, 2025
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    I'm watching (a replay of) the Australia game while the family sleeps -- the things I do for soccer! I may post a bit, but won't do PBP. I will note that the announcer said Australia has been competitive in its other games despite their record; the game is being played at a high pace in the first five minutes, during which it could've been 1-1.

    Update: Santiago Pita scored the game's first a bit less than 15 minutes in. He got the ball at the far corner of the 18, took on a couple of defenders and smashed a left-footed shot past the GK, who didn't seem to have a play on it. Australia zipped down the field in response and got a shot off, but it went wide.

    One observation in the action I've seen (though I didn't watch the Argentina game) is that while I don't actually know what the dimensions of the fields are -- or maybe it's just one field? -- they look really big. That obviously helps teams that can move the ball and attack space aggressively, but it also means a lot of play out of the back; France in particular used their GK for this extensively against us. That, in turn, has meant lots of pressing. Ah, to be a kid again.

    Australia has found a bit of its footing around 20 minutes in.

    Update 2: Right after I wrote that line above, Klapija looked up from just past the circle, saw the GK off his line, and lobbed him for the second. If I'd suggested that all this pressing might also mean opportunities to catch a GK out of position, I'd have looked really smart!
     
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  4. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #29 Dave Marino-Nachison, Jun 7, 2025
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    It's 2-0 at the half. The screen says possession was 52-48 U.S., which I guess feels right -- any observer would probably say the U.S. was clearly the better team in the half, but Australia had several real chances that were saved or otherwise just didn't quite happen. It could easily be, I dunno, 3-2 to the good guys, or I suppose any number of other scorelines.
     
  5. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ends 3-2, good guys.
     
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  6. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #31 Dave Marino-Nachison, Jun 7, 2025
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    This was not intended as a prediction, but... do I look really smart? (Don't answer that.)

    The winner was scored by Ellis, a powerful first-timed strike off a nice pass from Dills, in added time. He followed it up with a strong tackle that really fired him up.

    One of the guys who stood out a bit for me apart from the dudes in the scoresheet was Chong-Qui, who made some heady and sturdy plays. The way this team plays, Guske gets a lot of the ball -- he is more of a deep-lying guy, not looking up for long balls like, say, Brandan Craig -- and he's a steadying presence. (Obviously not a lot of guys play that role like Craig, but I figure folks here will get the reference.) This squad also didn't seem to look to involve the outside backs all that much; it was more of a "get the ball to the attackers" approach.

    Adding because I forgot, Klapija was very active in a "false 9" role, doing a range of things in the final third. We could certainly debate whether that's a thing the program should be building around, but having it as an option can't be bad, and there are other ways he can contribute if he's not in that spot.

    I don't know whether it's the game plan or the fact that these are young guys with young blood or what, but this team just doesn't seem particularly interested in managing to a result, which I've also seen in other younger YNTs. They have one gear. It's rather appealing to watch, devoid of professional cynicism, but I think that has a sell-by date that is roughly around the U20 level, and it doesn't play in "real" tournaments where you and your opponent are fighting for your lives.

    This game could easily have gone to Australia, but hey, it didn't. The win was deserved.
     
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  7. Thundering165

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    I think the deep lying forward approach works with this squad because Klapija and Ellis can both do it well.

    Portugal beat Senegal 5-2 and will be our final opponent. That will be a tough test for this group.
     
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  8. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A question I often have watching US YNT games is why the senior team can’t keep the ball moving as fast as the youth teams. The passing is so often crisper and quicker, as it has been in all three games in this tournament.

    But I’ve been having that thought since a lot of the current senior players were youth players, so it’s not as simple as “the young guys have better training and higher soccer IQ.” I’m assuming it’s partly that at the senior levels, players are bigger, move more quickly, and see where to move more quickly. But it’s still a little confusing to me.
     
  9. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final is at 10:30 AM eastern time on Tuesday.
     
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  10. Thundering165

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    The big difference is in the quality of the players trying to stop them from playing like that. Especially in CONCACAF, you're playing against guys with years and years of experience breaking up pretty soccer.
     
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  11. gogorath

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    Yes, adult defenses are better as you state and are also far more organized.

    The US also has an edge in youth soccer due to its size and population. When you limit the ages of people who can play to a 2 year grouping, in effect, you make the value of a large population base higher.

    When you have adults, it's far easier for other countries to find individual outliers to fill the roster. Alphonso Davies will play for Canada for like 15 years, but would have played for the U17s at best for 2 years and they'd need to find another. And Canada's not a small country -- it's just so much easier for the US to fill out a solid roster than others and this is a weak link sport in many ways.
     
  12. Boysinblue

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    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Looking at the streaming #s Senegal had 3 out of the top 4 most viewed games
     
  13. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
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    USA up 1-0 inside 5 minutes.
     
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  14. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  15. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

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    First half over, Portugal with the slightly better chances since they subbed in their two players.
     
  16. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    I thought Dills and Baiera were excellent in the first half.
     
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  17. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
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    1-1, Portugal all over the US this second half.
     
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  18. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Off to penalties.

    U.S. looking to steal this one. Portugal was better
     
  19. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
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    USA wins friendship
     
  20. SUDano

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  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    The U.S. had a stretch or two in the middle of the second half where they took some of the momentum back, but yeah, the scoreline flatters. Well, a win's a win!
     
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  22. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
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    United States
    Steal it they did

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  23. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    Rizvanonvich looks to be a good goalie prospect.
     
  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    We could call him "The Rizzl..." never mind.
     
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