U17 Spring 2008 Residency Roster

Could someone highlight, or list, the new invitees to residency? I'm just curious. Thanks.

 

The newbies are Alvarez, Arjona, Barnes, Dershang, Richey, Shinsky, Span, Hartwell, Gil and Koroma

 

Anyone know if they plan on holding Koroma back for a cycle in terms of not lising his eligibility for the 2011 U17 WC or are they gonna use him now if he is good enough?

 

BTW, so much for the theory that having the head coach and two assistants from NY would mean a disproportionate number of New Yorkers would be in residency.

Of the kids on the roster, only two - Alex Bramall from Newburgh and Brian Spann from Somers - New York kids are in residency this semester.

 

I broke the group down by state, birth year and birth month...

By state…

CALIFORNIA (7)
Alvarez, Christian M 5-6 135 5/14/92 Merced, Calif. Merced United
Arevalo, Estanilao D 5-8 145 1/14/92 Oxnard, Calif. Valley United Blast
Arreola, Eder M/F 5-6 135 11/13/91 Chino Hills, Calif. Pateadores
Edwards, Earl GK 6-3 210 1/24/92 San Diego, Calif. La Jolla Nomads
Gil, Luis M 5-7 140 11/14/93 Garden Grove, Calif. Pateadores
Gutierrez, Jaime F 5-11 170 1/21/92 Lake Forest, Calif. West Coast FC
Orozco, Emilio F 5-10 150 4/29/92 Oxnard, Calif. Rampage FC

FLORIDA (7)
Henry, Donovan F 5-9 140 2/20/92 Weston, Fla. Boca Juniors
Herold, Zachary M 5-9 130 6/7/92 Port St. Lucie, Fla. West Pines United
Jerome, Stefan F 6-0 155 8/11/92 Davie, Fla. West Pines United
MacMath, Zac GK 6-1 170 8/7/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers
Perry, Aubrey D 5-9 150 1/20/91 Ocoee, Fla. Ajax America
Sylvestre, Brian GK 6-4 195 12/19/92 Hollywood, Fla. Boca Juniors (Fla.)
Veeder, Korey M 5-10 160 10/3/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers

TEXAS (4)
Barnes, Zachery M 5-10 165 3/17/92 Flower Mount, Texas Dallas Texans
Duran, Bryan M 5-4 130 1/25/92 Duncanville, Texas Latino Americana
Garza, Greg M 5-7 140 8/16/91 Grapevine, Texas Dallas Texans
Koroma, Alfred D 6-0 160 4/19/94 Dallas, Texas Solar Red

GEORGIA (3)
Craven, Andrew F 5-10 145 1/21/92 St. Simons Island, Ga. First Coast Kicks
Dominguez, Bryan F 5-4 130 3/7/91 Atlanta, Ga. Concorde Fire
McInerney, Jack F 5-8 150 8/5/92 Alpharetta, Ga. Cobb SC

MARYLAND (3)
Arjona, Julio D 6-0 155 03/10/92 Germantown, Md. D.C. United
Gyau, Joseph F 5-6 130 9/16/92 Silver Spring, Md. FC Delco
Phillips, Shaquille D 5-10 160 04/21/92 Greenbelt, Md. DC United

VIRGINIA (2)
Badr, Samir GK 6-0 165 4/2/92 Fairfax, Va. Bethesda Roadrunners
Hartell, Drew F 6-0 160 12/22/92 Virginia Beach, Va. Beach FC

NEW YORK (2)
Bramall, Alex M 5-8 140 1/5/92 Newburgh, N.Y. PDA Larsson
Span, Brian F 6-0 160 2/24/92 Somers, N.Y. FC Westchester

PENNSYLVANIA (2)
Miller, Chase M 5-7 160 2/12/92 Duncannon, Pa. Super Nova SC
Shinsky, Alex M 5-6 120 4/2/92 York, Pa. Super Nova FC

NORTH CAROLINA (2)
Millington, Nick D 5-7 140 8/9/91 Raleigh, N.C. CASL
Watts, Jared M 6-1 150 2/3/92 Statesville, N.C. North Meck Storm

MASSACHUSSETS (1)
Caldwell, Scott M 5-6 125 3/15/91 Braintree, Mass. South Shore United

COLORADO (1)
Derschang, Rob M 5-11 145 03/16/92 Englewood, Colo. Real Colorado

INDIANA (1)
Kitchen, Perry M 5-10 140 2/29/92 Indianapolis, Ind. Chicago Magic

NEVADA (1)
Martinez, Carlos M 5-9 150 1/21/92 Las Vegas, Nev. Downtown Las Vegas SC

NEBRASKA (1)
Polak, Tyler D 5-8 130 05/13/92 Lincoln, Neb. Capital Soccer Academy

ILLINOIS (1)
Renken, Charles M/F 5-7 130 12/19/93 Edwardsville, Ill. Scott Gallagher

WASHINGTON (1)
Richey, Spencer GK 6-1 165 5/30/92 Seattle, Wash. Crossfire Premier

OHIO (1)
Sarkodie, Kofi D 5-7 155 3/22/91 Huber Heights, Ohio Ohio FC Mutiny

No one from New Jersey and none from northern Illinois (Chicago-land) though the Indiana player plays for a Chicago-area club.

Also interesting that 6 of the 7 kids from Cali are Hispanic (and the other is black), which seems to indicate that, at least there, that Hispanic kids are being well scouted, contrary to conventional wisdom about our identification system.

By year…

91 (9)
Arreola, Eder M/F 5-6 135 11/13/91 Chino Hills, Calif. Pateadores
Caldwell, Scott M 5-6 125 3/15/91 Braintree, Mass. South Shore United
Dominguez, Bryan F 5-4 130 3/7/91 Atlanta, Ga. Concorde Fire
Garza, Greg M 5-7 140 8/16/91 Grapevine, Texas Dallas Texans
MacMath, Zac GK 6-1 170 8/7/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers
Millington, Nick D 5-7 140 8/9/91 Raleigh, N.C. CASL
Perry, Aubrey D 5-9 150 1/20/91 Ocoee, Fla. Ajax America
Sarkodie, Kofi D 5-7 155 3/22/91 Huber Heights, Ohio Ohio FC Mutiny
Veeder, Korey M 5-10 160 10/3/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers


92 (28)
Alvarez, Christian M 5-6 135 5/14/92 Merced, Calif. Merced United
Arevalo, Estanilao D 5-8 145 1/14/92 Oxnard, Calif. Valley United Blast
Arjona, Julio D 6-0 155 03/10/92 Germantown, Md. D.C. United
Badr, Samir GK 6-0 165 4/2/92 Fairfax, Va. Bethesda Roadrunners
Barnes, Zachery M 5-10 165 3/17/92 Flower Mount, Texas Dallas Texans
Bramall, Alex M 5-8 140 1/5/92 Newburgh, N.Y. PDA Larsson
Craven, Andrew F 5-10 145 1/21/92 St. Simons Island, Ga. First Coast Kicks
Derschang, Rob M 5-11 145 03/16/92 Englewood, Colo. Real Colorado
Duran, Bryan M 5-4 130 1/25/92 Duncanville, Texas Latino Americana
Edwards, Earl GK 6-3 210 1/24/92 San Diego, Calif. La Jolla Nomads
Gutierrez, Jaime F 5-11 170 1/21/92 Lake Forest, Calif. West Coast FC
Gyau, Joseph F 5-6 130 9/16/92 Silver Spring, Md. FC Delco
Hartell, Drew F 6-0 160 12/22/92 Virginia Beach, Va. Beach FC
Henry, Donovan F 5-9 140 2/20/92 Weston, Fla. Boca Juniors
Herold, Zachary M 5-9 130 6/7/92 Port St. Lucie, Fla. West Pines United
Jerome, Stefan F 6-0 155 8/11/92 Davie, Fla. West Pines United
Kitchen, Perry M 5-10 140 2/29/92 Indianapolis, Ind. Chicago Magic
Martinez, Carlos M 5-9 150 1/21/92 Las Vegas, Nev. Downtown Las Vegas SC
McInerney, Jack F 5-8 150 8/5/92 Alpharetta, Ga. Cobb SC
Miller, Chase M 5-7 160 2/12/92 Duncannon, Pa. Super Nova SC
Orozco, Emilio F 5-10 150 4/29/92 Oxnard, Calif. Rampage FC
Phillips, Shaquille D 5-10 160 04/21/92 Greenbelt, Md. DC United
Polak, Tyler D 5-8 130 05/13/92 Lincoln, Neb. Capital Soccer Academy
Richey, Spencer GK 6-1 165 5/30/92 Seattle, Wash. Crossfire Premier
Shinsky, Alex M 5-6 120 4/2/92 York, Pa. Super Nova FC
Span, Brian F 6-0 160 2/24/92 Somers, N.Y. FC Westchester
Sylvestre, Brian GK 6-4 195 12/19/92 Hollywood, Fla. Boca Juniors (Fla.)
Watts, Jared M 6-1 150 2/3/92 Statesville, N.C. North Meck Storm

93 (2)
Gil, Luis M 5-7 140 11/14/93 Garden Grove, Calif. Pateadores
Renken, Charles M/F 5-7 130 12/19/93 Edwardsville, Ill. Scott Gallagher

94 (1)
Koroma, Alfred D 6-0 160 4/19/94 Dallas, Texas Solar Red

A little alarming there are only two 93s in residency. Hard to imagine there aren’t more viable candidates. Obviously 9 spots will open up when the 91s finish this spring, so hopefully the number of 93s increases, but even if all of the new spots are 93s, it still seems highly disproportional.

By month…

JANUARY (8)
Arevalo, Estanilao D 5-8 145 1/14/92 Oxnard, Calif. Valley United Blast
Bramall, Alex M 5-8 140 1/5/92 Newburgh, N.Y. PDA Larsson
Craven, Andrew F 5-10 145 1/21/92 St. Simons Island, Ga. First Coast Kicks
Duran, Bryan M 5-4 130 1/25/92 Duncanville, Texas Latino Americana
Edwards, Earl GK 6-3 210 1/24/92 San Diego, Calif. La Jolla Nomads
Gutierrez, Jaime F 5-11 170 1/21/92 Lake Forest, Calif. West Coast FC
Martinez, Carlos M 5-9 150 1/21/92 Las Vegas, Nev. Downtown Las Vegas SC
Perry, Aubrey D 5-9 150 1/20/91 Ocoee, Fla. Ajax America

FEBRUARY (5)
Henry, Donovan F 5-9 140 2/20/92 Weston, Fla. Boca Juniors
Kitchen, Perry M 5-10 140 2/29/92 Indianapolis, Ind. Chicago Magic
Miller, Chase M 5-7 160 2/12/92 Duncannon, Pa. Super Nova SC
Span, Brian F 6-0 160 2/24/92 Somers, N.Y. FC Westchester
Watts, Jared M 6-1 150 2/3/92 Statesville, N.C. North Meck Storm

MARCH (6)
Arjona, Julio D 6-0 155 03/10/92 Germantown, Md. D.C. United
Barnes, Zachery M 5-10 165 3/17/92 Flower Mount, Texas Dallas Texans
Caldwell, Scott M 5-6 125 3/15/91 Braintree, Mass. South Shore United
Derschang, Rob M 5-11 145 03/16/92 Englewood, Colo. Real Colorado
Dominguez, Bryan F 5-4 130 3/7/91 Atlanta, Ga. Concorde Fire
Sarkodie, Kofi D 5-7 155 3/22/91 Huber Heights, Ohio Ohio FC Mutiny

APRIL (5)
Badr, Samir GK 6-0 165 4/2/92 Fairfax, Va. Bethesda Roadrunners
Koroma, Alfred D 6-0 160 4/19/94 Dallas, Texas Solar Red
Orozco, Emilio F 5-10 150 4/29/92 Oxnard, Calif. Rampage FC
Phillips, Shaquille D 5-10 160 04/21/92 Greenbelt, Md. DC United
Shinsky, Alex M 5-6 120 4/2/92 York, Pa. Super Nova FC

MAY (3)
Alvarez, Christian M 5-6 135 5/14/92 Merced, Calif. Merced United
Polak, Tyler D 5-8 130 05/13/92 Lincoln, Neb. Capital Soccer Academy
Richey, Spencer GK 6-1 165 5/30/92 Seattle, Wash. Crossfire Premier

JUNE (1)
Herold, Zachary M 5-9 130 6/7/92 Port St. Lucie, Fla. West Pines United

JULY (0)

AUGUST (5)
Garza, Greg M 5-7 140 8/16/91 Grapevine, Texas Dallas Texans
Jerome, Stefan F 6-0 155 8/11/92 Davie, Fla. West Pines United
MacMath, Zac GK 6-1 170 8/7/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers
McInerney, Jack F 5-8 150 8/5/92 Alpharetta, Ga. Cobb SC
Millington, Nick D 5-7 140 8/9/91 Raleigh, N.C. CASL

SEPTEMBER (1)
Gyau, Joseph F 5-6 130 9/16/92 Silver Spring, Md. FC Delco

OCTOBER (1)
Veeder, Korey M 5-10 160 10/3/91 St. Petersburg, Fla. Clearwater Chargers

NOVEMBER (2)
Arreola, Eder M/F 5-6 135 11/13/91 Chino Hills, Calif. Pateadores
Gil, Luis M 5-7 140 11/14/93 Garden Grove, Calif. Pateadores

DECEMBER (3)
Hartell, Drew F 6-0 160 12/22/92 Virginia Beach, Va. Beach FC
Renken, Charles M/F 5-7 130 12/19/93 Edwardsville, Ill. Scott Gallagher
Sylvestre, Brian GK 6-4 195 12/19/92 Hollywood, Fla. Boca Juniors (Fla.)

Sadly, this is still highly biased towards the kids born earlier in the year. More kids in camp born in January than in Sept.-Dec., COMBINED. And, almost half the kids – 19 – were born in the first quarter and the other half – 21 – were born the other three quarters. That would appear to fly against logic, especially when the more talented, at least for now, trio of Renken, Gyau and Jerome were all born the last 5 months of the year.

 

It may simply be a typo (or I may simply be misreading) but its interesting to see Koroma listed as a defender.

 

They did that to make Sandon happy, although the kid will have to grow at least another five inches before he will be fully satisfied.

 

Sandon,

Are any of these kids on the path of say a Altidore where they look to be ready at 17/18 yrs old and having an opportunity to make an impact on MLS?

Maybe its an unrealistic expectation, but I thought the signing of teens would be on the increase in MLS as a result of an ever widening talent pool and for obvious financial reasons. Mind you I didn't believe it to be anything like several a year, but there are certainly teens out there with the skill set to compete for spots IMO.

 

At this point I'd rather have a really big forward than another big centerback.

We have plenty of big centerbacks. Granted, no one in the YNT setup uses them, but they're there.

But big forwards? Not a lot of those out there in our various YNT - or senior team - pools.

 

Although he played at mid and foward for the U17, 6' 5" Omar Gonzales played centerback for the Dallas Texans Red 88s during the last 2 years of their 3 year run as National Champs and during the team's Dallas Cup Super Group championship ( He was in residency during their first title run). He was great back there and very confident on the ball. I would love to see him in the mix again, somewhere.

 

Those 91's wont be able to play in the next U-17 WC right? as it is in 2009

 

Obviously I can't say for certain but based on the Nike friendlies, it's hard not to think Jerome isn't on an Altidorian path with Gyau and Renken possible depending on how then can handly the physical play.

I think the win-now mandate for coaches in MLS combined with the limited reserve team opportunities and the salaries has kept the number of teenagers in MLS limited but I suspect that will grow as the academies mature and the reserve team play more games and, of course, MLS offers more competitive entry-level salaries.

Right now, the money they offer rarely is enough to either pass on Europe or a scholarship to a good college.

Omar who? Never heard of him.

Apparently, neither has Peter Nowak or Thomas Rongen.

Correct. 92s and younger.

 

More 93's will be enrolled next year when then 91's drop out............plus every year at least a few players on the world cup squad arent even from residency if i remember correctly.

 

Fire best U17 3-1 according to the Fire board

 

who scored for the U-17's....who are really the U-15's btw

 

Donovan Henry.

 

link?

 

Ok, the end score was 3-1 but the history was different.

I saw the game. The first half the Fire played with the 1st squad with Blanco and company. The U-17 had 7 91s and 4 92s (Gk, Mid, Donovan, and Arjona). Donovan scored in the first 3 minutes because a goalkeeper mistake.

The U-17 dominated the first half, and created more opportunities than the Fire. The Fire had 3 shots cleared at goal. The first half ended up 1-nil. The fFire's players were frustrated and complained to the referee than the U-17 were playing very physical.

The first team from the fire played for 30 minutes, and later they changed all the players to the second squad. The second squad played the last part of the first half, and 15 minutes of the second half.

For the U-17, they played 45 minutes on the first half and the second half was 30 minute game.

On the second half, the main U-17 (92s ) played versus the second squad of the Fire, and later the Fire brought a third squad. It was bad for the U-17 (92) with all the players from the Nike Friendlies except Renken (injury and out for 5 months) and Jerome. The lost 3-nil in 30 minutes half.

 

BRADENTON, Fla. - The Chicago Fire kicked off its 2008 campaign with a 3-1 win in a preseason scrimmage against the U.S. U-17 Men's National Team at Field 5 of the IMG Academies facility in Bradenton, Fla. The Fire played varied lineups in three separate 30-minute intervals, with veteran Fire midfielder Diego Gutierrez wearing the captain's armband for the first session.

The Fire went down a goal early in the first minute of play when U.S. U-17 forward Donovan Henry picked off an errant back pass from Chicago defender Wilman Conde and slotted the ball past goalkeeper Jon Busch. The Fire had few offensive chances throughout the next 20 minutes as the U-17's had the run of play.
Chicago made line-change substitutions at the 30-minute mark, with forward Chris Rolfe taking the captain's band for the second stanza. The Fire nearly tied the game in the 40th minute when midfielder Justin Mapp sent a left-sided cross to the feet of forward Floyd Franks, but his volley from point-blank range went just over the crossbar. Just before the 45th minute mark, Mapp was substituted out due to a right forearm injury.
The Fire had another chance to even the score in the 50th minute when rookie midfielder Peter Lowry sent a through-ball to Franks for an attempt on-goal, but the U-17 goalkeeper saw the play develop and dove to make the save. In the 60th minute, a cross into the box from was chested down by Lowry right to the feet of Franks. Franks' shot from eight yards out skimmed wide left of the frame.
Chicago made another mass substitution in the 60th minute, with Franks taking the captain's band. A ball out of the back from Fire defender Daniel Woolard in the 74th minute fell right to Franks, and the forward made no mistake with a strong finish to knot the game at 1-1. One minute later, rookie midfielder Tim Conway struck a 30-yard attempt that hit the left post but was eventually cleared off the line.
Fire midfielder Brian Plotkin substituted in for Franks in the 76th minute and made his presence known three minutes later on a corner kick. Plotkin's service from the left corner connected with the head of rookie forward Patrick Nyarko, who redirected it into the back of the net from six yards out to give the "Men in Red" a 2-1 advantage. A give-and-go between rookie midfielder Kei Kasiguran and Plotkin freed Plotkin for a one-on-one opportunity in the 86th minute, but his right-footed shot pinged off the right post and out of the penalty area.
The Fire netted a late insurance goal in the 89th minute, when a pass from Plotkin connected with rookie midfielder Zach Pope near the end line. Pope sent the ball back into the box for Nyarko to one-time it low into the net for the game's final tally in a 3-1 Fire win.
Chicago Fire: GK-Jon Busch, D-Diego Gutierrez, D-Wilman Conde, D-Austin Washington, D-Tim Regan, M-Logan Pause, M-Mike Banner, M-Stephen King, M-Cuauhtémoc Blanco, F-Chad Barrett, F-Tomasz Frankowski.
30': GK-Nick Noble, D-Brian Plotkin, D-Daniel Woolard, D-Osei Telesford, D-Bruno Menezes, M-Bakary Soumare, M-Just Mapp, M-Chris Rolfe, M-Peter Lowry, F-Calen Carr, F-Floyd Franks.
60': GK-Dominic Cervi, D-Daniel Woolard, D-Jeff Curtin, D-Tim Bode, D-Iradj Farahmand, M-Tim Conway, M-Adrian Bumbut, M-Kei Kasiguran, M-Zach Pope, F-Floyd Franks, F-Patrick Nyarko. Scoring Summary:
U17 - Donovan Henry (unassisted) 1
CHI - Floyd Franks 1 (Daniel Woolard 1) 74
CHI - Patrick Nyarko 1 (Brian Plotkin 1) 79
CHI - Patrick Nyarko 2 (Zach Pope 1, Brian Plotkin 2) 89

It validated my early comments.

 

Well taking away the best two players from the U-17's in the second half would def. have a big effect on them. It makes sense though that they lost as most of them are 15 or younger.

As for the first half that is quite amazing. I heard Donovan Henry was a great player but in the nike friendlies he looked quite average. Its amazing that the 91's were beating the fires first choice squad. Just goes to show how good the youth are in this country.

 

Jerome did play with the 92's.

 

Yes, Jerome played the last few minutes for Guay.

I can tell you that all U-17 residential players can play. They are not afraid to go head to head with the professional players.

Remember that these kids are 13, 14, 15, and 16 y/o.

One of the 92 players on the first half needed to mark an 6'4" player from the Fire in corner kick. It was amazing the speed of play from the 91s and 92s.

 

Chicago fires website pictures from the game http://web.mlsnet.com/gen/photogallery/mls/year_2008/month_02/day_09/cf138554.html

 

Look line up and scores

BRADENTON, Fla. (Feb. 3, 2008) -- The U.S. Under-17 Men's National Team fell to the Kansas City Wizards, 3-0, in a scrimmage at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla.

Both teams made complete substitutions at halftime, and all three Wizards' goals were scored in the first half. Marinelli opened the scoring in the 10th minute, Morsink double KC's lead in the 35th and a minute later DiChico made the final score 3-0.

U.S. Under-17 Men’s National Team Game Report
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Participants: USA U17 MNT vs. KC Wizards (MLS)
Competition: Friendly
Location: IMG Field #5, Bradenton, Florida
Date: February 3, 2008
Weather: Sunny, 80 degrees

Scoring Summary:
1 2 F
USA 0 0 0
KC 3 0 3

KC Marinelli 10th minute
KC Morsink 35th minute
KC DiChico 36th minute


Lineups:
USA: First Half: 1 - Earl Edwards; 7 - Perry Kitchen, 11 - Jared Watts, 12 - Andrew Craven, 19 - Emilio Orozco; 5 - Marlon Duran, 9 - Carlos Martinez, 13 - Joseph-Claude Gyau, 20 - Rob Derschang; 15 - Stefan Jerome (32 - Alfred Koroma 33), 16 - Jack McInerney;

USA Second Half: 18 - Spencer Richey; 3 - Tyler Polak, 4 - Shaquille Phillips, 17 - Julio Arjona, 27 - Chase Miller; Alex Bramall (10 - Bryan Dominguez), 8 - Luis Gil, 21 - Zachery Barnes (35-Kofi Sarkodie 79), 31 - Christian Alvarez (37 - Scott Caldwell 53); 14 - Donovan Henry, 29 - Brian Span (32-Alfred Koroma 76);