U17 postscript - early report for new cycle

Karl,

Normally I will agree with you to have $2M to prepare for couple future national teamsters. But in this case, this $2M is belong to a plan we called Project 2010. I don't think we are up to the task. The modification is not that difficult. Just change three coaching stuffs.

 

Normally, I'm a pretty hands-off mod. This was a perfectly good discussion until you guys started to get personal and call each other bad words. Rather than lock the thread, I've just tossed the garbage in the recycle bin, and will give you all a chance to get back to the point at hand. Please.

 

Sue, no problem, but if someone misprepresents my position, and does so repeatedly with malice aforethought, and continues to unjustifably attack my arguments because "they" know better...why, I am coming down HARD, and there will be no holds barred.

Meanwhile, for reference, here is the MLSNet link on the weight room at Manchester United.

http://www.mlsnet.com/content/03/oped0916lewis.html

As evidence to the TRULY naive about professional training, that weightlifiting is a part of an all-around regime.

So, for those who dismiss weightlifting out of hand, while one of the world's greatest clubs uses it as part of regular training....well, what does that say about them, and what does that say about you?

 

Weight training isn't evil................................................evil weight training is evil.

 

Ok, since this guy refuses to quit, I will also continue, since my point has been misrepresented by this Karl guy.

1. For the second time, I have played professionally, and you insist on repeatedly calling me naive about professional training. How odd.

2. Every professional club has a weightroom. Also notice in your link, Karl, that the weightroom is sandwiched right between mentions of the squash court and hydrotherapy pool. Now, Karl, you have never played pro, and you list ONE article that mentions a weight room. I'm sure you've looked, why haven't you listed Man U's lifting regimen? Surely if it is such a vital part of training, someone somewhere should list approximately which weight-lifting excersizes and which weights they lift. No? Yeah, I've Googled "weight-lifting/weight-training/football/soccer" too, and the reason that the only training regimens come up are for college and women's soccer is because they are the only ones that weight-lift systematically.

3. Now, what do pro soccer players do in the weight room? Well, let's see--resistence training, plyometrics, various cardio-measurements, BF measurements, rope-jumping, standard situp, pushups, medicine ball work, flex training, injury recovery, a whole lot of sitting around and chatting with your mates. Do guys here lift? Not that much, and NEVER at an age younger than 19/20. What's that much? Typically nothing over 20lbs, as a general rule, and except for injury recovery, never legs. Now, there are players on the team who do lift more than the "average" player. Guys that play weak are asked to do some lifting. This is a coaches recommendation--for instance, the boniest skinniest guy on our team did not lift, but he was tough as nails, and no one could move him off the ball, whereas another player on our team was asked to lift--he was not that skinny or anything, but simply would be weak on the ball on the field of play. Goalkeepers lift--not sure exactly what and how much they are asked to lift, but they were usually off doing their own thing, so I can't speak too much to that--though they do lift more than field players.

4. Since you call me naieve on two seperate occassions on this thread, Karl, soccerdad, having never played anything, and I quote you:

"I never played competitive soccer growing up. But having watched a lot of youth soccer over the past 6 years...and having read lots of books and seen lots of videos, and seen about a couple dozen MLS games in person, and countless more...on TV...and having attended coach's clinics and licensing, and gotten my Grade 8 referee's license, I guess I do have at least a modest perspective on the whole enterprise."

This is YOUR experience.
With THIS experience you are telliing me, how the hell to train in soccer? Calling me naieve. Good god, what is wrong with you?

Triple E

 

Ok. We're done here.