Pre-match: U.S. MNT Oct. 10 vs Ecuador

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  1. Goldtone

    Goldtone Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
    California
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    This is probably exactly why they should get called in. MLS does not need to change the season but at least have FIFA match date windows.

    Also, Jurgen needs to work on 2018, reasonably unobstructed.
     
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  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Good question, but he was where he should have been. Didn't do anything extraordinary to get into the position that he was in. Credit him for being in the right position, but I think most strikers would have been in that position.
     
  3. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    It's still just 2014, and January is not far away. There are plenty of other good players to choose from in Europe and the MLS teams out of contention
     
  4. Reverend Paul

    Reverend Paul Member

    Dec 23, 1999
    San Clemente
    Sure. But you still don't plan for it. Keep him around to help with Copa America. Maybe he's a good guy to help transition to the next generation. And keep him on the radar in case he ages unusually well. But never plan around anyone that will be 30+ in the next WC. Always be looking for young guys to replace the old guys. Especially this early in the cycle. You hope that you find someone better than a 30+ GCam before then. Hopefully much better (and I have nothing against GCam).
     
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  5. dban

    dban Member

    May 20, 2003
    PhillyBurbs - Delawareside
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He hits that sitter and we win instead of lose, how is that not costing us the game? I'm not gonna crucify the guy but thems the facts.
     
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  6. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #106 tab5g, Sep 11, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2014
    But why limit what the NT can or would be able to do on these dates?

    Why let the NT manager be hamstrung and have to pick "others" that he may not primarily what, just because his first choice guys (or some of them) are busy with clubs on these dates in a league that has a hand-shake agreement (or whatever) in place not to gut those specific club line-ups.

    MLS is being selfish jerks with their schedule and business needs. And US Soccer (in part understandably) letting or helping MLS get away with it. And I can certainly understand why MLS does what they do.

    But the times may be a-changing (slowly) at US Soccer, in terms of what they want and will accept from that dynamic of how they see and use and work with MLS (in some ways).
     
  7. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Sometimes I wonder if MLS is run by NFL/NBA/MLB execs who do just enough to scare the soccer competition away while making sure they dont succeed enough to hurt football.

    If the Nat Team brings customers to the MLS why would you not want to market the Nat games and hope to produce marquee names for a particular MLS team?

    Cue the response that amounts to "we cant improve the product because it would hurt our bottom line". :cautious:
     
  8. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a two-way street. MLS lets JK have players longer at certain times of the year than he is entitled to. The question is whether the current arrangement is fair. Only an egotist would think that his need for players in a a pair of friendlies in the heart of the MLS season 3.5 years before the World Cup finals trumps any reasonable arrangement with MLS.
     
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  9. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What world do you live in? The growth of MLS and soccer in the US has been very impressive, and certainly scares these groups at least a lettle.

    What makes you think they don't want to do this?

    You mean time to cue reality after your little romp in your angry fantasyland?
     
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  10. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    Jurgen said that he wants to bring the best including MLS players..

    GK-Guzan, Rimando, Hamid
    RB- Fabian, Yedlin
    CB- Besler, Gonzalez, Brooks, Cameron
    LB- Beasley, Chandler
    MF- Bradley, Mix, Jones, Zusi, Bedoya, Beckerman
    FW- Jozy, Dempsey, Donovan, Johannsonn, Gyau, Green

    ------------------Jozy-------------------
    Green---------Dempsey--------Donovan?
    -----------Jones--------Bradley------
    Beasley----Besler---Gonzo----Fabian
    -------------------Guzan---------------

    Honestly I think we are a better team without Dempsey because he hurts us tactically, but in a best XI I dont see him being benched

    If Donovan comes off the bench I would start Yedlin on the right
     
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  11. PANDEMONEUM

    PANDEMONEUM Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    Club:
    Asteras Tripolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i dont want the same ol same ol
    i really liked to see all that youth vs the Czech Republic
    it would b nice to see the same thing for these 2 game

    new :
    GK : Clint Irwin
    LB : Greg Garza, Robbie Rogers
    CB : Amobi Okugo, Matt Hedges
    RB : Andrew Farrell
    CM : Wil Trapp, Dillon Powers
    AM/W : Lee Nguyen, Paul Arriola
    CF : Gyasi Zardes, Jack McInerney, Will Bruin

    thats 13 "new" guys
    with the 12 others being guys that have been in a JK camp or usa matches in the past

    it doesnt have to be these 13 new guys, just names that i have seen, with the most support
     
  12. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    Lets just say I'm not surprised it just happened to be Wondo who gets on the end of the golden opportunity of the game within like 10 minutes of being subbed in. But I'm also not surprised he missed
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's such a tantalizing player...
     
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  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Your "new" half looks pretty good but 1/ Irwin hasnt been in good form recently 2/I would bring Wenger and Serna for width which i think you lack in your list and we really need to find some.

    Edit I wud not mind seeing Mullins if Bruin and McInerney dont make it.
     
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    So no love for Wondo after that missed chance...?
     
  16. John McGuirk

    John McGuirk Member+

    Jun 12, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More like "tough love".
     
  17. PANDEMONEUM

    PANDEMONEUM Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    Club:
    Asteras Tripolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yea. i dont really know all the youngs. whoever is in form, is fine with me.
    but i really want half of the callups to be youngs/new to the squad

    i still want to win the game
    i started 3 guys in my initial formation that are new to the team
    and in positions of "need" from my point of view
    F, AM, L.FB

    we dont have an AM
    we need to find a F of the future, and to challenge the others
    IF we can find a L.FB, then Fabian can be moved to L.Mid....
    but i actually really like a fabian, besler, cam, yedlin backline
    and would even prefer cam at DM and someone better than omar at CB
    not sure besler and/or brooks can out perform others at R.CB
     
  18. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    More like "the overwhelming preponderance of evidence is that, during games that matter against halfway decent or better opposition, Chris Wondolowski is a terrible finisher. This and the fact that there are plenty of other forward options who are younger, available and need a look means he can stay in San Jose".
     
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  19. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's supposed to play 20, 30 minutes at most. He has a real game 2 days later vs. Dallas.
     
  20. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Vital game for the Supporters' Shield that one.

    Yep, hope LD only plays 30 minutes max.
     
  21. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My group:

    GOALKEEPERS:
    Brad Guzan, Nick Rimando, Bill Hamid
    Omitted Sean Johnson

    FULLBACKS:
    Fabian Johnson, DeAndre Yedlin, Greg Garza, Timmy Chandler
    Omitted: Eric Lichaj, Edgar Castillo, Andrew Farrell

    DEFENDERS:
    Tim Ream, John Brooks, Omar Gonzalez, Matt Besler
    Omitted: Matt Hedges, Chris Schuler, Amobi Okugo

    MIDFIELDERS:
    Michael Bradley, Perry Kitchen, Mikkel Diskerud, Alfredo Morales, Alejandro Bedoya
    Omitted: Maurice Edu, Dillon Powers, Dax McCarty, Jose Torres, Geoff Cameron, Emerson Hyndman, Danny Williams

    ATTACKERS:
    Graham Zusi, Joe Corona, Luis Silva, Lee Nguyen
    Omitted: Kelyn Rowe, Eric Alexander, Harry Shipp, Julian Green, Joe Gyau, Luis Gil, Brek Shea, Dillon Serna, Paul Arriola, Andrew Wenger

    FORWARDS:
    Gyasi Zardes, Clint Dempsey, Jozy Altidore
    Omitted: Jordan Morris, Rubio Rubin, Will Bruin, Jack McInerney, Juan Agudelo, Tommy Thompson


    vs Ecuador

    -----------------------Altidore--------------------------
    -----------Dempsey------------------Zusi-------------
    ------------------------Bradley-------------------------
    ------------Diskerud-------------Bedoya--------------
    Johnson------------------------------------------Chandler
    ------------Brooks----------------Besler---------------
    --------------------------Guzan--------------------------

    Bench: Rimando, Ream, Garza, Morales, Corona, Silva, Zardes


    vs Honduras

    ------------------------Altidore------------------------------
    -----------Dempsey-------------------Zusi------------------
    -------------------------Bradley------------------------------
    --------------Diskerud-----------Bedoya--------------------
    Johnson----------------------------------------------Yedlin
    -----------------Gonzalez---------Besler--------------------
    ----------------------------Guzan-----------------------------

    Bench: Rimando, Ream, Garza, Kitchen, Corona, Nguyen, Zardes
     
  22. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    I wonder how long Klinsmann waits to retire Beasley, Jones and Beckerman
     
  23. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At present, JJ is playing better than MB yet you have him out.
     
  24. hansbacke

    hansbacke New Member

    Sep 8, 2014
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it would be wise to start searching for a replacement D-mid at the moment rather than continue using him. I'd bring him back in March if nobody rises in the remaining friendlies this year.

    Who's better of Wil Trapp, Alfredo Morales and Mo Edu ?
     
  25. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    I'd like to see more of Morales. Perry Kitchen might be next in the pecking order though. And there's Geoff Cameron who started at CM against Belgium
     

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