U.N. Report: Jenin Not Massacre

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by TheWakeUpBomb, Aug 1, 2002.

  1. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
    Seattle Sounders
    Who could forget the Israeli massacre of Palestinian civilians at Jenin?

    Oops. I guess we can look forward to retractions from all those leftists out there in a rush to label this a massacre, huh?

  2. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Leftists. Great. I've been pissing up a rope all this time, haven't I?

    I absolutely refuse to retract what I said about Jenin, I'll tell you that much.
  3. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Watching the news last night, I did not see one word mentioned about this. I'm sure if it had been the other way round...
  4. schuer

    schuer New Member

    Nov 26, 2001

    Furthermore this report means bollocks. israel refused acces to all areas that would possibily harm their image. As many say this UN-document adds nothing to earlier reports from independent HR-organisations as Human Right Watch. In their writing it was also stated the number of victims was lower than the palestinians claimed, but they clearly stated Isral commited war crimes (e.g. using Palestinian civilans as human shields).

    Meanwhile Amnesty Internation demands a full report because this one is way too partial.
  5. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that's called a "freudian slip".
  6. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Amnesty International is nobody and don't forget it. Heck, Jesse Jackson has more pull than those jokers and that alone tells you something.

    When in high (catholic) school, they always tried to get me to write letters, and when I wrote one for a guy in Texas who was to be executed, I wrote, "I hope you suffer as you die!", they for some reason never asked me to write another. Go figure.
  7. schuer

    schuer New Member

    Nov 26, 2001
    You must be soo proud
  8. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sorry but that is funny. So did the poor bastard deserve his fate?
  9. JPhurst

    JPhurst New Member

    Jul 30, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    AI and Human Rights Watch complaining about the report is pretty silly. Both of them were there and saw the scope of the devastation and had plenty of chances to interview witnesses.

    As you point out, AI and HRW didn't come to much of a different conclusion. There was no massacre but the IDF comitted certain war crimes. About the only thing that the UN report adds is that the Palestinian militia did the same. The reason the UN report did not add any more is because there was nothing else to add.

    Where's the Human Rights Watch report on the Passover Massacre? For some reason I couldn't find it? What about the UN investigation?
  10. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    Both sides have to face the fact that the world will never know what really happened there because of all the Israeli shenanigans and refusals to let objective observers into the area to see for themselves. My own personal opinion is that a "massacre" probably did not happen but I admit that in the aftermath of the initial Jenin news reports the Israeli govt did a REALLY good impersonation of an organization trying to cover something up.
  11. JPhurst

    JPhurst New Member

    Jul 30, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    There were very few people, except maybe some journalists, during the battle. But AI, Human Rights Watch, and various humanitarian organizations were there shortly thereafter. A UN mission, even if Israel just opened up its doors without any preconditions (such as not placing someone on the mission who compared the Star of David to a swastika) wouldn't have found anything else.

    Will precise details be known? They hardly ever are. But there is very little that falls into the "unknown" category here.
  12. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country

    Like I said, I personally don't believe in the "massacre".

    I do ask you why the Israelis stonewalled for so long even though they probably had nothing to hide. It's not like the UN was going to send only card-carrying members of the Aryan Nation to the scene. In fact, it would have HELPED Israel in PR terms if the UN team was seen to be "anti-semitic" because then any anti-Israel findings could be simply dismissed out of hand.

    The Israeli handling of the situation was just not good PR. In fact, it was so bad it was like Sharon took a page out of the "PLO Guide To Influencing World Opinion". Israel has survived and prospered partly because they've been SO much smarter at marshalling world opinion than the Palestinians but lately it seems like they've forgotten how to run a PR campaign.
  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somebody call Hell and warn them to stock up on overcoats - I agree 100% with Joe about a Middle East topic.

    OF COURSE whatever "commission" the UN sent to investigate would be biased against them. Doesn't that go without saying?

    What they missed, IMO, is that it JUST DIDN'T MATTER. The conclusions they drew weren't going to change anybody's mind anyway.

    If the report said that Israel was a pure as the driven snow, would the Arab world have accepted that and sued for peace?

    If the report said Israel was guilty of mass murder, would anyone in the West (particularly the US) have paid a bit of attention?

    The point being that no one's mind was going to be changed anyway, but Israel managed to turn it into a disadvantage by "stonewalling" as Joe puts it. Refusing to allow an investigation, in Western eys, is tantamount to admitting guilt.

    They have always had a keen ear for Western opinon. It's probably a sign of their growing frustration, desperation and even panic that that ear is apparently turning to tin.

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