Two teens to Barcelona

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Apr 13, 2003.

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  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This was posted on the MLS N&A board:

    "Youth players Giovanny, 14, and Jonathan Dos Santos, 13, have signed with famed Barcelona in Spain. The teens are the sons of former Monterrey La Raza forward Zizinho Dos Santos. Their uncle is former Hotshot and Dynamo Beto Dos Santos, who remains active in the youth community here."

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/soc/1864045

    Very interesting news for obvious reasons... It's not clear that they are American citizens but as this was published in the Houston Chronicle it's certainly plausible.
     
  2. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    I can't think of any other reason that they would mention these boys in the Houston Chronicle. I guess it depends on if their parents now live here in the states(Houston).
     
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Their uncle played indoor soccer in Houston. He is still active in Houston area according to the articles. So Houston might be interested in reporting the two kids. The uncle might be friends with the soccer writer at Houston Chroncile. He might mention that his two nephews join Barcelona.
     
  4. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    According to the writer of the article, the father is Brazilian and the boys were raised in Mexico.
     
  5. Alex_1

    Alex_1 Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Zürich
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Definitely Brazilian names. That is a very interesting find man! It will be something to track their progress over the next few years and see what happens and what direction they decide to go in. I don't know how big a role that obtaining citizenship would pertain for them to be on the US team if they grew up in Mexico. Chances are, they could also play for Mexico then too.

    But interesting information.
     
  6. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    Yes, but where were they born and what passport do they have?
     
  7. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    According to the writer of this reply to your post, if I knew I'd have posted it.
     
  8. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    I know you would have, its more of the big question in the grand scheme of things.
     
  9. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
  10. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Re: The Mexican Ronaldinho

    Just thought i give an update on the Dos Santos lads.. Their mom is Mexie and she wants them to represent for el Tri-Color. Anyways the article claims that Giovanni is known by his peers as the new "Ronaldinho" and the article goes on to claim that he will soon be capped by the Mexican U-17 squad.. Now that i think about it there are four Mexican players at Barca !!! Rafa Marquez with teh senior team, the Dos Santos bro's and Santiago Fernandez in the reserves, good times indeed..

    MEXICO TIENE EN GIOVANI DOS SANTOS EL CRACK ESPERADO

    Le dicen Ronaldinho y no solo por su color o su pelo ensortijado. Giovanni dos Santos, hijo del ex Americanista Zizinho, entrena en el juvenil A del Barça y todos en el club aseguran que su talento es inmenso.

    RECORD visitó en Barcelona a esta prometedora figura que tiene todo para ser un “crack”, y que, por mandato de su madre regiomontana, será mexicano.

    Su rostro es aun de niño , pero su físico ya impresiona, pues a sus casi 16 años de edad luce unas piernas muy fuertes.

    Empiezan las interescuadras y ahí por fin vimos al joven con el balón. Impresiona. Tiene un control que lo hace sobresalir inmediatamente del resto, lo trae natural.

    Golpea el balon con pulcritud, es preciso en los pases largos y ejecuta los tiros libres con el toque de los grandes.

    Por algo sus compañeros-como referimos al inicio-lo llaman el "nuevo Ronaldinho", mote que le impuso el influyente diario catalán Mundo Deportivo

    "Juega mucho mejor que yo" dice Zizinho con una sonrisa, "y no quiero que pierda ese gusto por jugar"afirma.

    Si EU tiene a Freddy Adu, España cuenta con Cesc Fabregas y Argentina con Lionel Messi, México ya tiene a Giovanni dos Santos.

    PARA LA SUB-17

    Humberto Grondona, seleccionador oficial de las categorías menores, tiene al joven mexicano en la mira para el próximo mundial de la especialidad.

    Fuente: Record
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did these kids get around the FIFA rule about the international transfer of children? Uh-oh, it looks like the Borg just took a direct hit.
     
  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Well, Dave, I'm not sure but I think their move predated it. Is there a grandfather clause? (In saying this I am also admitting I don't know if they have European passports.)

    VS, thanks for the update. I'm guessing that these kids don't have U.S. citzenship if their mom is Mexican -- that's a bit of info I didn't know.
     
  13. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    I thought it was possible for youths to move to the youth programs of teams.

    Wasn't it possible for Danny Szetela to go to England to play for the youth squad?
    He just couldn't go and sign a professional contract... or am I remembering this wrong.
     
  14. gnk

    gnk Member+

    Nov 1, 2000
    Aldie, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is my understanding, too, for what it's worth. (I know, it ain't worth sh&t.)
     
  15. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Danny Szetela has a Polish, ie EU, passport and thus the FIFA youth foreigner restrictions wouldn't apply to him in Europe.
     
  16. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Over on the Mexico forum, there are those who are already creaming their pants over this Brazilian-Mexican-Houstonian.
     
  17. juventino3

    juventino3 Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    Yeah, they are pretty much trying to naturalize any South American they can get a hold of these days.
     
  18. ugaaccountant

    ugaaccountant New Member

    Oct 26, 2003
    Didn't John O'brien go to ajax's youth at 14. He wasn't dutch was he?
     
  19. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    The new rules just went into effect a year or so ago...
    And no... he wasn't Dutch
     
  20. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it's possible they weren't actually signed with a club, hence there was no transfer involved.

    I still don't think that youth players with youth clubs (a la the US) are actually recognized by FIFA. Isn't that how Danny Szetela could have signed with Everton, or was he already 18?
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, Danny can get a Polish passport, which means EU status. For employment purposes, Poland is to England as South Carolina is to Virginia. Not as Mexico is to the United States.

    And if you read the rules, even if they aren't affiliated with a club, that's still a transfer.

    Resistance is futile. You will be assimi...assi...a...a...a....
     
  22. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  23. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    well then, these guys are not y.a.'s
     
  24. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    Actually... has anyone yet shown that they do NOT have USA citizenship?
    We know the nationality of parents...
     
  25. Yucaman

    Yucaman New Member

    Apr 7, 2005
    SAINT LOUIS, MO
    First off, there is only one south american on the Mexican National Team. Secondly, the USA has no room to talk -think of David Regis,etc. Thirdly, Giovanny dos Santos is more Mexican than Freddy Adu is American (born in Ghana moved to U.S. at age 10), his mom is mexican, he has grown up in mexico, learned to play in mexico and is a Mexican citizen, recently saying that he really wants to play for the U-17 team that he just got called up for. Also this is not a case with out precedent -Michel Platini's parents were Italian but he was born in France... and went on to become one of the game's all time greats for France.

    I don't know what this stuff is about him being a Houstonian because he lived in Monterrey, Mexico (where he was born) up until moving to Barcelona 2 years ago.
     

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