Twitter hates Berhalter

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  1. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume a Euro-hater has a similar definition? You can also self identify if you so chose.

    Nobody knows how any player will turn out. Nor is a "must have" player a requirement. The manager should have the ability to identify and test players who can make the international grade. Giving Roldan and Lletget each 28+ caps while giving Green and Tillman zero does not make any sense even if you argue that they are about the same level.

    Tillman has consistently been better that Roldan and Lletget in MLs. He is a better player now and he was a better player when he was a starter in the BuLi.
     
  2. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    i would agree that anyone that hates all our Euro players would also be a Euro-hater. I don’t identify with It because I watch, follow, and root for many of our Americans playing in Europe; but I also watch our players here in the states. The post you originally responded to was more of a reflection back.... as I was a poster who was very much impressed with Holmes and wanted to see more of him..... heck I was watching his Derby games, hoping he’d make the leap we needed him to make. I think when Rooney came in it messed his trajectory up; he got pushed out wide and the team became about Rooney running the show.... anyways, the main point I’m making is in the end, T Tillman, Holmes, Morales, or whomever we want to put on the list wasn’t materially better than the Roldon’s in MLS that many posters freaked out about at the time.... And to be clear, roster selections were my main issue with GB.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He knew for over 5 years before he switched that the US was interested.

    He was expected to join the US U19 training camp in March 2018 but never filed the paperwork.

    https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2...othy-tillman-switch-usa-germany-bayern-munich
     
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  4. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Really? Admittedly, during qualifying it was bizarre when Turner got benched for Steffen and when Ream was dropped altogether. Even so, Berhalter largely had the right players on the field.

    To my eye, Berhalter's failure was defined by two things:
    1. Poor tactics -- predictable, inflexible, and naive
    2. Lack of discipline -- this was evident in the idiotic behavior from Gio, Dest, and Weah, as well as getting outfought on the field

    It'll be interesting to see how Poch tries to turn these things around.
     
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  5. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    yeah for me I don’t think he had a grasp on the player pool till after the WC. I understand the tactics had to stay predictable because our young squad that hadn’t gelded together needed a consistent formation and style of play. I think the “feel good/vibes” GB created was to correct the toxic locker room culture prior to him that JK created and went unfixed under BA.
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gelding the squad would be unique though probably illegal.
     
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  7. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    im pretty sure there was a quote by GB about us needing to be more brave like the Unsullied.
     
  8. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    I think 2 became the biggest issue, but also just flat out no matter what the team just came out flat 9 times out of 10 when they were playing as the heavy favorites
     
  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    can we just acknowledge how correct twitter was now?

    and how lame all the berhalter defenders are
     
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still think there is a middle ground here. Gregg had some successes. We’ve got to acknowledge that. Should we have kept him for the second cycle - No.

    It’s pretty indisputable that Poch has the team playing better than we’ve looked in, well, like forever. And he obviously knows what he’s doing. But we still need to see how this World Cup goes.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely not. It wasn't Berhalter's fault that we couldn't find a consistent goalscorer, though he did mess up by not taking Pepi.
     
  13. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Twitter" said a lot of things. A lot of dumb things. A lot of "Berhalter is an idiot because he hasn't called in X player" whose names we don't even remember anymore. Which things was "Twitter" correct about?
     
  14. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Let’s see how the World Cup goes. Our group opponents will be energized they didn’t draw a contender and those games will be different than a November friendly. Still a lot to prove for Pochettino. Meanwhile Berhalter delivered three trophies and a group progression with a really young roster. Can’t take away his success no matter how much the Twitter bros make you giggle.
     
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  15. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    when you listen to how poch describes the team culture he inherited, it is extremely damning of berhalter. his results werent even good! what was greggs "signature win"? he lost vs every good team he played!

    i hope having a good manager will raise the bar for all future managers and help usmnt fans and observers realize that what greggg offered was simply substandard and wanting in so many crucial aspects
     
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  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That culture wasn't Berhalter. We have always had that culture. What we never had was a coach from Argentina that has a different mentality. Just look at how he calls out the fan base and encourages fans to support YOUR NATIONAL TEAM so players can get motivated. He called us the greatest nation in the world but that we need to prove it in soccer and fans need to support. Argentina gets support regardless of who is playing, how bad or good they play because that's their culture.

    You just have Berhalter Derangement Syndrome and want to pin everything on him when in reality it is Pochetino who is not used to seeing such passive players and fan base.
     
  17. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    youre the type of soldier who would blame your actions on "just following orders"

    spineless
     
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  18. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member+

    AC Milan
    United States
    Jul 17, 2024
    This thread almost made me change my mind about Gregg. I figure that if twitter hates something then it has a good chance of being good. But I have negative feelings about all anti-social media and that may alter my feelings about things "twitter hates."
     
  19. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Don't tell me you believe the USMNT fandom is as good as in Argentina? Delusional!

    Pochetino had been calling out the support of the fanbase and a tame passive culture he has never experienced before and here you are blaming one person lol.
     
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  20. Ryan T Smith

    Ryan T Smith Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    May 10, 2022
    Ugh I thought we were over this.
     
  21. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The year will be 2090 and USMNT fans will still be complaining about Berhalter. Just hang on in there. These guys take their personal grudges to the grave.
     
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  22. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Some people just unreflectively want to bash on someone. If it wasn't Berhalter then it would have been someone else.
     
  23. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Poch has not said a single thing that Klinsmann did not say.

    All we heard GB's first cycle was how he was fixing the culture. What exactly did he fix and why did Poch need to fix Berhalter's fix?
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Boy, its virtually unheard of in life for a manager to take a position and criticize the way his predecessor did things. Berhalter must have really messed up. :rolleyes:
     
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He fixed the disaster that Klinsmann left where the coaching staff abdicated doing any work, and where they tried to play the players off each other and created a divide between the domestic guys and European based guys.

    And Berhalter was actually successful, as we won a bunch of trophies and got to the Round of 16 with a very young team.

    But like any coach, he was around too long and there simply needed to be a change. That's all. Perhaps that's why Klinsmann's shit stop working as well, or perhaps it's just because he's a confrontational ass that quits on basically every coaching project he's done since the Germany job.

    Either one could be true. Certainly his style wears thin much faster, but he's hardly the only coach with that style.
     
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