TV Schedule Analysis

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by goosegg, Feb 17, 2003.

  1. goosegg

    goosegg New Member

    Jul 31, 2002
    NYC
    Here's the schedule. 29 games.
    It seems that 2 games will be shown at 1:30 am.

    Metros will have 9 games even though they were at the bottom of the table last year.

    Opening day and the second game will be shown two weeks apart.

    No mention of a weekly highlights show.

    No mention of showing any playoff games.

    It seems this schedule could use some fixing.

    Saturday, April 5th
    Los Angeles at Columbus - 4:00 p.m. ET ABC
    Saturday, April 19th
    Columbus at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, April 26th
    MetroStars at Columbus - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, May 3rd
    San Jose at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, May 10th
    Los Angeles at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, May 17th
    MetroStars at Colorado - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, May 24th
    Los Angeles at Kansas City - 8:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 - TD @ 1am Tickets
    Saturday, May 31st
    Chicago at San Jose - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, June 7th
    Colorado at Los Angeles - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, June 14th
    Chicago at MetroStars - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, June 21st
    Los Angeles at MetroStars - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, June 28th
    MetroStars at Chicago - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, July 5th
    MetroStars at D.C. United - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, July 12th
    MetroStars at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, July 19th
    San Jose at D.C. United - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, August 9th
    MetroStars at Chicago - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, August 16th
    San Jose at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, August 23rd
    New England at Los Angeles - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Saturday, August 30th
    Dallas at Los Angeles - 10:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 - TD @ 1:30 am Tickets
    Thursday, September 18th
    Colorado at New England - 7:30 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Thursday, September 25th
    D.C. United at MetroStars - 7:30 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Sunday, October 5th
    MetroStars at San Jose - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Sunday, October 12th
    D.C. United at New England - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Sunday, October 19th
    Columbus at D.C. United - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2 Tickets
    Sunday, October 26th
    Chicago at Columbus - 4:00 p.m. ET ESPN2
     
  2. cjschlos

    cjschlos Member

    Jan 21, 1999
    New York
    What is Tickets? somesort of new network or just the link to buy tickets on the mls website?
     
  3. O'Dubhghaill Rules!

    May 21, 2001
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
  4. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Burn have announced that their home match on 4/12 vs. the Galaxy will be televised on ESPN2.

    For some reason, though, this has yet to show up on the schedule at mlsnet.com.
     
  5. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078

    so is this a bonus game?


    i'm all for more games

    :)





    even if it is the galaxatives and burning sensations
     
  6. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes - its the link to buy tickets on the mls website? You should go there more often.

    Yes - the schedule does not seem all that great and favors some teams at the expense of others.

    I count a grand total of 4 games that do not include either New England, Metros or LA.
     
  7. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks to me as though MLS has decided to model Soccer Saturdays on NBC's successful coverage of the NBA back in the '80's.

    Back then, every NBA game on national TV during the regular season seemingly involved either the Lakers, Celtics, and later the Bulls. It was Bird vs. Magic; Michael vs. Magic; and so on. Personally, I would have rather watched a wider range of teams play. But NBC's strategy of emphasizing 2 or 3 personalities was very effective and helped lift the NBA from its doldrums in the '70's to its success in the '80's and '90's.

    Similarly, MLS also looks to be emphasizing personalities more than teams. Last year, MLS debuted the MLS Strike Force of Mathis, McBride, DMB, Wolff, and Donovan. In 2003, besides last season's Strike Force crew, it looks as though Taylor Twellman & Carlos Ruiz will receive a good deal of pub from MLS.

    And while this may not seem especially fair to teams like Dallas and Colorado who are arguably better than the Metros or New England, MLS is counting that more people will tune in to watch their favorite players than tune in to watch better soccer.
     
  8. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except for one small detail:

    Those teams didn't suck. In fact, they were great teams. I hear that they even won a few championships during the '80s.

    If the NBA chose games to televise the way MLS apparently does, we'd get a steady dose of the sorry-ass Knicks almost every damn week these days. Sacramento and San Antonio need not apply.

    Don't get me wrong. I've got no problem with the number of games that LA is gonna get (they're a big market and they're the champs), and I'm not proposing that MLS completely boycott the Metros for national telecasts. I understand that they're in the #1 TV market and I have no problem if they were to get a few more national telecasts than the average team, which has usually been the case. But MLS has gone completely over-the-top this season.
     
  9. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but Dustin, if you recall, NBC's emphasis was on promoting a few select players rather than the teams they played on. Who got most of the pub back then? Magic, Bird, and later Michael. It wasn't the Celtics vs. the Lakers in NBC's eyes; it was Bird vs. Magic. Forget about the contributions of their teammates, including great players like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Kevin McHale. To NBC and the NBA it was the Magic and Bird show.

    And don't forget there were a number of excellent teams in the NBA back then that didn't receive much coverage due to all the attention on Magic, Bird, and Michael. The Detroit Pistons won several championships, but Isiah Thomas never became the media darling that Michael Jordan was, and so Piston games were shown less frequently than Bulls games, especially during the regular season.
     
  10. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that's the difference between basketball and soccer.

    In basketball, one player CAN make a difference. A player the caliber of Magic or Bird or MJ could transform a team from an average team that no one cared about to a championship contender. So to say that it was less about the team and more about the player is a bit misleading because in the case of Larry and Magic and MJ, the player made the team what it was. "Great player" and "great team" were, for the most part, inseparable.

    But even in the case of Michael Jordan, the first couple years of his career with the Bulls were in relative obscurity. CBS (who had the NBA contract until 1991) didn't show the Bulls in '85 or '86 very much for the simple reason that they weren't very good. (And this is with one of the greatest players of all time on the team, which should tell you how bad the MJ-less Bulls were in those days.) They chose to stick with a steady diet of Larry and the Celtics, Magic and the Lakers, and Dr. J and the Sixers.

    Sure CBS and the NBA promoted Magic and Larry and MJ and Isiah in those days, but when you tuned into CBS, you knew that you were gonna see a top-quality team playing. Yes, those were great players, but more importantly, they made their teams great almost singlehandedly.

    But soccer's different. One transcendent player can't make as great of an impact. Clint Mathis, for all the hype, hasn't won the MetroStars a championship and didn't help the MetroStars get into the playoffs last year. Brian McBride hasn't transformed the Crew from being the Eastern Conference answer to the Dallas Burn. And while it may be the fault of their teammates' incompetence, that's soccer. Players can shine, but teams ultimately win games.

    Sure, MLS and ESPN can hype Mathis all they want and show him on TV every other week, but if Mathis' teammates are a bunch of clowns who can't help but trip over their feet, guess what? The Metros will lose, and MLS will come off as laughable by putting them on TV every other week while competent teams are playing in relative obscurity.

    That's the problem with the NBA model of promoting players over teams. Major League Baseball has tried that approach and it hasn't done wonders for them, either. (I remember Keith Olbermann writing an editorial about it on ESPN.com several years ago. Basically, his contention that it was stupid because the player around whom they'd be hyping a telecast would get at most one chance in nine to offensively influence the game.) At the end of the day, the NBA model for promoting players, rather than teams, only works well for basketball because of the nature of the game.

    It's been my contention that MLS should look to the NFL, which promotes great teams at the expense of individual players, for promotional ideas. The NFL is forced to do it because their players' faces are concealed by helmets and facemasks, but like soccer, success in football depends on many, many players on a team, not just one star player.
    When the Pistons were winning back-to-back titles in '89 and '90, they were on CBS just about every damn week. I remember this vividly because I hated those damn thugs and I hated seeing them on TV all the time.

    And if Isiah didn't get the attention that Jordan got, it was because he didn't win slam-dunk contests or make the highlight reels every night or have multizillion-dollar endorsement deals. He wasn't that kind of player. He was simply a great playmaker for the Pistons. And frankly, the Pistons didn't help matters any. When you're the key player for the team that everyone loves to hate, your image is going to suffer a bit.
     
  11. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The TV schedule does suck.

    We get the Metros for a streak of 5 games in a row, June 14 thru July 12.

    Columbus gets 5 games - 3 in the first 4 weeks and then nothing until the last 2 weeks.

    I guess its all about market size - and building that up with exposure. But then Dallas maybe gets (one tape delayed till 1:30 a.m.) while Colorado gets 3 slots, Columbus 5 and KC gets all of one game.

    But it was skewed last year so this is nothing new. I woudl have figured that with SEM things woudl be spread more evenly, but I guess not. I have no problem with some skewing of the national TV schedule, but 9 to 1 and 7 to 2 ratios are a bit too much.
     
  12. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the schedule, but probably cuz I'm a Rev fan.

    So, wait, what happened to ExtraTime? Is that still running?

    Prof
     
  13. MD_05

    MD_05 New Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    Ohio
    It didn't run last season, I don't know what the story is this year. I've emailed ESPN a couple times and haven't got any response.
     
  14. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    espn didn't run it

    they got paid for the time slot
     
  15. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is true. Last year's distribution:

    Metros: 9
    LA: 7
    Chicago: 7
    New England: 6
    San Jose: 5
    Dallas: 4
    Columbus: 4
    Colorado: 4
    DC United: 4
    Kansas City: 2

    About the only team that really stands out are the Revs, who at that time were best-known for being consistently the worst team in the league. And the rest? Well, you can make an argument that San Jose, as the champions, probably deserved more coverage, but other than that, it's not TOO outrageous, all things considered.
    Here's this year's distribution. One ESPN2 game in July was changed from DCU-Chicago to Metros-New England:

    Metros: 10
    LA: 8
    New England: 8
    Chicago: 5
    San Jose: 5
    Columbus: 5
    DC United: 5
    Colorado: 3
    Dallas: 2
    Kansas City: 1

    The total number of ABC and ESPN2 games are the same as last year, but it looks as if they've increased the number of games for the Metros, LA, and New England at the expense of Chicago, Dallas, Colorado, and Kansas City. LA and New England you can justify, but the Metros?
     
  16. LA Galaxy Fan

    LA Galaxy Fan Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    Tokyo
    I thought ESPN2 renamed to ESPN Deportes start on September 7th.
     
  17. DigitalTron

    DigitalTron New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Spot on VW!

    While you have received a lot of criticism for this analysis, I think you are 100% correct. Furthermore, I wholeheartedly support promoting the game this way. It appeals to the casual US sports fan, and it's a proven TV-interest booster.

    Fans everywhere in the US will support the New York and Los Angeles teams, regardless of sport or the team's success. With strong coaches in each location now, it should create some pleasant familiarity for the casual TV fan. Without gaining the casual US sports fan from TV, MLS will never make a large jump.

    Sigi's teams will win, and the atmosphere in the Home Depot Center when it is finally done will look much better than most MLS games. Bob Bradley's teams win, and I expect him to do wonderfully in New York. Marketing guys like Clint Mathis and Jaime Moreno should prove very easy.

    No, it's not Magic v. Bird, but Mathis v. Ruiz is a great matchup as well. Why New England? Because that 3rd investor--Kraft--is the squeakiest wheel that gets the oil. He wanted to lessen his losses so he precipitated contraction. He wanted a winning team so he recieved a stacked roster last season. He wanted revenue for his new stadium (actually a very valid request) and he got the MLS Cup. Now he wants exposure, so he gets a couple more TV games than he probably deserves. But the fans are great in New England, so I don't have a problem with it.

    Yeah, it kinda sucks for DC United, especially when our rival Metros (who we beat for the Atlantic Cup even in our worst-ever season) took one of our few national TV spots to give them exactly double the number we have. But if I were running MLS HQ, I'd probably have done the same thing. Hopefully DC United will get that 6th televised game anyway ... in the Home Depot Center for MLS Cup 2003. :D

    -Tron
     
  18. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now that I look at it that way, it's really bad. Kansas City and Dallas are really good teams, and deserve more coverage. My guess is the Clint Mathis Show. People loved Clint and his hairdo in Korea, so they want to see more of it. I can just see the focus groups of football fans sitting at ESPN headquarters. The guys ask them "which one is your favorite?" All the rednecks pick Clint, cuz he's got the coolest do. No offense, he's a great player, but on the whole, the Metros probably shouldn't have more coverage, than, for example, the Crew. Kansas City gets only one? Wow, still hard to believe. I hope Dallas and Kansas City do really well this year, just to spite ESPN for their TV schedules.

    Prof
     
  19. PezJunkie

    PezJunkie Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Independence, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which isn't even live... it's a tape-delayed game being shown at 1:00am. At that point, why don't they just drop it so at least the fans in KC can get local coverage of the game...

    Of the 2 Dallas games, one of those is tape-delayed at 1:30am.
     
  20. Blong

    Blong Member+

    Oct 29, 2002
    Midwest, the real one.
    I think we need to look at these telecasts as 2-hour infomercials for the league. The league has bought this time from ESPN in order to reach new fans, who know little or nothing about the league.

    For us hardcore fans, we have local broadcasts, Shootout Package, and could even go to the games. For those of us that live out of market and cannot afford/don't have access to Shootout, tough luck. We can't have everything. You'll have to settle for what we get with ESPN.

    It will be much easier to bring new fans in if they can get to know a few teams real well, rather than barely know every team. No matter how many Strike Force commercials they show, this is the best way to gain familiarity-slowly, in manageable amounts(3 teams or so).

    Lets just be thankful that, by and large, broadcasts have been increasing as years go by. More local games, better Shootout, and it looks like FSW may carry some games this year.

    Also, Bill Archer thinks he may have some incredibly exciting news.
     
  21. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    I wonder if NE, NJ, and LA have the biggest tv audiences, or if their games pull in the biggest national ratings. It's possible that they're trying to bump up their ESPN2 ratings to bring in more advertising revenue, or to sell to more sponsors.
     
  22. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to BigSoccer user kenntomasch, here are the highest rated games on ESPN2 in 2002:
    August 10: Chicago at Dallas - 0.31
    August 17: DC United at San Jose - 0.30
    Sept. 26: Chicago at New England (playoffs) - 0.26

    There aren't enough ratings on Kenn's page to draw any sort of meaningful conclusion about which teams draw a better number. However, Metros games on average had a higher rating than the 0.19 average, while LA games had a lower-than-average rating. So you can make an argument for both teams' getting more games (Metros based on better ratings and LA because they're the champs and they've always been a good team).

    However, Dallas games got better-than-average nationwide ratings (due largely to the big number for the August Brimstone Cup game, but also due to better ratings in other games) and Kansas City games came in around the 0.19 average. So there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to determining which teams' games due much better, and you can't say definitively that "big markets" = "bigger ratings."
     

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