Tsitsonis: The American Dream

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Rocket, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. mls2atl

    mls2atl Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    great article!
     
  3. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good read. Interesting to read a piece from over the pond that doesn't backhandedly compliment MLS. This one was actually a little sunnier than even I would have written, but a solid review.
     
  4. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I think he's confusing the lack of popularity for the US brand of soccer (MLS, USMNT) with the attraction that world soccer has achieved here, largely via immigration.

    If you add the ratings of the Mexican League on Univision, Galavision and Telefutura, random internationals on Telemundo, EPL on Fox World and En Espanol, Gol TV, ESPN Deportes, MLS on ESPN2, you'd probably get a combined audience equal to hockey.

    Which ain't that bad.
     
  5. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Good article, except for this part:
    In here is the implication that the Americanization of "soccer" is a bad thing, and as this forum's self-proclaimed extreme progressive I can freely attest that it is not.
     
  6. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    Great read. I thought that was a very fair look at US soccer. He was right about the media.
     
  7. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I am not sure who the author is, but has the feel that it was written by an outsider. I thought it was alright.
     
  8. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. That's pretty high praise from you! ;)
     
  9. Sinko

    Sinko New Member

    Dec 28, 1999
    xalapa ver mx
    Club:
    Harrisburg City Isl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This writer must be one of us.
    Proud to say that I share the positive outlook.
     
  10. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely nice to see this kind of press.

    On the other hand, it reads like it was written after perusing these boards for an hour. It's like the first post in a "State of Soccer in the US?" thread.
     
  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't complain about this level of coverage, and I agree with Chicago1871--this may be even more upbeat than I might have written. Good stuff, nice to see MLS and the state of our game getting some props.
     
  12. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whether you prefer to call it Soccer’s Siberia or the Land that Football Forgot, the United States of America has long been football’s last frontier.

    I don't think the US as football's last frontier is accurate. What about South Asia (India and Pakistan) and to some extent China? Since the lingo is 'frontier', soccer is more 'conquered or inhabited' in the US than in China or Australia for that matter.

    But overall, it's a great article. It's a good time to be a fan of MLS, USL, and US Nats.
     
  13. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paging the "media is always right" apologists......
     
  14. SABuffalo786

    SABuffalo786 New Member

    May 18, 2002
    Buffalo, New York


    Wouldn't be surprised if this guy at least lurked around here. He certainly made an effort to shout out for us hardcores.
     
  15. TomEaton

    TomEaton Member

    Mar 5, 2000
    Champaign, IL
    No one disputes that soccer doesn't get much coverage in the mainstream media. The dispute is over whether it gets less coverage than it deserves given the level of interest, or at the more extreme level, whether there is some sort of conspiracy among the media to deny coverage to soccer.

    I'm sure more media coverage would help soccer's popularity to some extent, but that puts the issue backwards. Sports media cover what they think their audience is already interested in; they don't consider it their mission to interest people in certain things so that they can cover it for them.
     
  16. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know this is anecdotal evidence at best, but my wife is a journalist. She's worked at four different papers in three different cities. Whenever she's quizzed the sports department on the lack of soccer coverage, the answer is always "Soccer sucks" or "Soccer is boring" or something similar. They never cite "lack of interest" as the reason. It certainly does't explain the lack of box scores from MLS or national team matches. That "statistical" page of the sports section in newspapers could very easily have at least that basic info, but it's often passed over in favor of box scores from local high school basketball, etc.
     
  17. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, since the article is more about the US brand of soccer (MLS and national team) than it is about soccer in the US, immigrants being interested in their teams (whether club or national side) from the "old country" is largely irrelevant to the points he's trying to make.
     
  18. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Ya, I forgot. Immigrants don't attend MLS games. :rolleyes:
     
  19. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? The article is about the state of MLS and the US National Team, and the perception of soccer in the media and society in general. It doesn't matter if attendance at those matches is 100% immigrant or 0% immigrant, it still is talking about US Soccer. I was saying that TV ratings of foreign leagues is of peripheral importance to the points the author was trying to make.
     
  20. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right now, many MLS teams don't get the local media coverage they probably deserve because they're still considered a fringe sport. And sports departments tend to ignore them because they can get away with it.

    But if/when MLS teams start to regularly draw 18,000/game or higher, I expect we'll start to see a more coverage, particularly on TV. Soccer goals make for nice highlights, especially when compared to a sport like ice hockey where it's often hard to follow the puck.

    My impression is that the Crew and DC United already have pretty good media coverage -- Columbus, because of the big fish/small pond factor; DC, because of Freddy and 4 championships.

    And in cities like Chicago and hopefully Denver and Dallas, I expect we'll see much more coverage of the MLS teams as fans start packing the new SSS's.
     
  21. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There have been one-on-one shootouts to decide matches, 35-yard lines where shots behind that mark have counted for more than one goal, and various playoff systems that have confounded even the best mathematicians.



    Good article but the 35 yard line was used for offsides (as opposed to midfield) and not for bonus point goals (unless the author is combining this rule with indoor soccer scoring rules).
     

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