Truth Hurts & Dr. Dre get busted for sampling

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  1. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

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    That song "Addictive" by Truth Hurts (produced by Dr. Dre) is restricted from being sold until they sort some things out because they were busted stealing the music for the song. I've heard the original (my wife is Indian) and they outright stole that song. The first time we saw it on MTV, my wife said, "I saw the movie that song is from."

    Indian Composer Wins Injunction Over Hip Hop Hit

    As far as it being an act of "cultural imperialism," that is debatable.
     
  2. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    Stupid, stupid move by Dre. All he had to do was credit the original songwriter and share the loot. Odd, considering he stopped using samples for the most part a few years ago.
     
  3. nicodemus

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    If you've heard the original, you knew it was just going to be a matter of time. I'm surprised it took this long. I mean, there's a billion people in India, somebody was going to find out.
     
  4. Mattbro

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    Sep 21, 2001
    Surprise surprise. Are any of these hacks capable of coming up with a melody of their own?

    So here I am last night at one of my favorite places in Vienna, and I'm having an argument with my buddy about how Eminem is just a hack who needs other people's melodies to make his songs worth listening to. So my buddy is defending him, because he's kind of partial to Eminem despite being a hair band fan like myself. And about ten minutes later a new Eminem song that neither of us had ever heard comes on with a sample of Dream On. Oh how we laughed.

    Okay I'm out now.
     
  5. skipshady

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    I mentioned this in my last post, but Dr Dre, for the most part, has stopped using samples in his production and I was surprised when I heard the song in question.
     
  6. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
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    This is not the first time for Dr Dre, when he was at Death Row, they said he would invite beat makers to his studio, hear their beats, tell them he wasn't interested, then take that beat and morph it to his own, that was during the first Chronic album, if it's true, who knows, my friend from LA who is kinda a rapper told me, a couple of years ago.
     
  7. SportBoy321

    SportBoy321 New Member

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    I can't believe the mainstream public still cares about Dr.Dre. He should have vanished when gangster rap died.
     
  8. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

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    Dr Dre still gets Cali love, you gotta admit he has the dopest beats, if it's his or someone elses, the particular joint we are dicussing his pretty funky, ************, i didn't even now it was Dre's beat til this thread, and Rakim will always be top 3 for me when it comes to lyrical geniuses.
     
  9. nicodemus

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    apparently Bappi Lahiri has the dopest beats on this one.
     
  10. ruudboy

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    He did, and Dre recognised it, sampled it and came out with an ill hip hop cut, when i get home i'm gonna look for the original, i'm interested in how much he took.

    I don't know about you guys, but my friends and i always try to figure out what song was sampled on a particular hip hop joint.

    Mattbro, you remind me of what my Pop says about hip hop, he hates it, but he's a Jazz man and i kinda know where is coming from.
     
  11. nicodemus

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    i haven't heard anybody do it yet (because I don't listen to too much rap), but i hear Fela Kuti is being sampled a lot now.
     
  12. skipshady

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    Not to take the thread too far off topic, but a landmark case of sorts for sampling is the 1991 case, Grand Upright Music Ltd. v. Warner Brothers Records, Inc., in which Gilbert O'Sullivan sued Biz Markie over the use of elements from O'Sullivan's "Alone Again (Naturally)".

    O'Sullivan won the case and since then, all samples have to be cleared by the right owner - which in and of itself is not a bad thing. The problem was, the case failed to define what does and doesn't qualify as fair use. And as a result, any sample, no matter how miniscule or unrecognizeable, have to be cleared and bought for a fee.

    Now, it used to be that hip hop producers would create sounds by cutting and pasting small elements from different sources in creating the sound. But after the ruling, since each sample would have to be cleared and paid for, it makes much more sense to use just one sample and leave it untouched.
    Before, you had Erik B. & Rakim et al. creating the Wall of Sound. But now, we have Puff Daddy basically jacking the entire "Every Breath You Take" melody for his Notorious B.I.G. tribute and more recently, J.Lo making a total mess of BDP's classic "South Bronx".

    Copule of links on the case:
    http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/rock/bizmark-92.php
    http://www.jw.com/industries/Entertain_Sports/Digital_Sampling.htm
     
  13. skipshady

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  14. Mattbro

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    Hey Nico, if you're there: I bet you've heard the latest from Punjabi MC - it's been making my spine tingle and my hair stand on end for the last couple of weeks!
     
  15. OPArsenal

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    Why is this jackass still here? Can't the BS admin folk send someone out to his house to kill him?

    Vive le AFC!

    OPArsenal
     
  16. nicodemus

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    i will have to check this out when i get back home. i'm in miami for the argentina game and i'm using my friends little laptop with a dialup connection and virtually non-existent speakers.
     
  17. Kryptonite

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    sadly, i think we're gonna see more of this in pop music over the upcoming months/years.

    people are getting less creative, they won't even write their own songs.

    some people think (others believe) it all started with the puff daddy song "every breath you take".
     
  18. JAnderson14

    JAnderson14 New Member

    Oct 5, 2000
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    This has been happening for a long time. Puffy just exacerbated the problem.

    Dre's beats aren't all that good. He didn't recognize something to make a good song; he recognized something gimmicky that would sell. That song is awful, and I can't believe Rakim did it.
     
  19. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

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    You're tripp'n, Dre makes the best beats!

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    None of the beats are tight?

    plus i like the song, but he should of given the guy the credit, and the scrilla.
     

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