Trump's Presidency IV: Stupefaction Jackson

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  1. Cris 09

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    @JamieBmore , them jobs, tho....right? Check your tailpipe.

    Carrier factory where Trump touted saved jobs is laying off hundreds

    Carrier, the company President Donald Trump pledged to keep on American soil, informed the state of Indiana this week that it will soon begin cutting 632 workers from an Indianapolis factory. The manufacturing jobs will move to Monterrey, Mexico, where the minimum wage is $3.90.

    That was never supposed to happen, according to Trump's campaign promises. He told Indiana residents at a rally last year there was a "100 percent chance" he would save the jobs at the heating and air conditioning manufacturer.​
     
  2. Yoshou

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    It isn't necessary to tag Jamie every time bad news comes up....
     
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  3. usscouse

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    Gerry Brown was outstanding in his comments on Trump and his desision on Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. I can't find a youtube on it but this interview is well worth the read. He is taking it, as leader of the worlds 6th largest economy, to the rest of thr States and to the world to work on a climate summit of their own.

    Jerry Brown defies Trump on world stage

    The California governor will fly to China to rally support for his climate change policies.

    By DAVID SIDERS

    06/01/2017 06:06 PM EDT

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    If Gov. Jerry Brown, like the Europeans, was seeking to nudge President Donald Trump with his remarks, he abandoned all niceties after news of Trump’s decision emerged. | AP Photo
    LOS ANGELES — For the past two years, California Gov. Jerry Brown has been aggressively recruiting other state and local governments to sign on to their own, sub-national climate pact.

    But that campaign has taken new urgency under President Donald Trump, who announced Thursday that he’ll withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement. It’s a reflection of the roiling conflict between the president and the nation’s most populous state, but also the ambition of a governor who, after a lifetime in politics, is seizing an unexpected opening on an international stage.
    He flies to China Tomorrow.

    Story Continued Below

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/01/jerry-brown-trump-climate-deal-california-china-239035
     
  4. The Devil's Architect

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    #2229 The Devil's Architect, Jun 1, 2017
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    More accurately...

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  5. Auriaprottu

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    The family across the street from me had one. We ate them pretty regularly, and I was a fan.

    Convo between a Black man and White woman at a horror film casting call

    "Hi! I'm Paige Astor McKaiserslautern" <extends hand>
    <shakes hand> "Ronnie Wilson. Pleased to meet you"
    "Soooo... you here to die early?"
    "Yup. You here to show your tits?"
    "Yeah."
     
  6. Cris 09

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    OH...it is. It is indeed. I want to know what his opinion is on the subject matter...and no, I'm not kidding. We can all sit here and post and pat ourselves on the back because we (mostly) agree. It means nothing if we don't give those with a view different from ours the chance to respond.

    I'm not interested in just talking with those that share my views...I wish to learn from debating with those that don't.
     
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  7. roby

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    Scissorkick Collins said:
    The mayor of Pittsburgh not being shy about this, will issue an executive order tomorrow that the city will continue to work to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement.

    What an awesome way to say f*ck you to this radiated persimmon.

    Hah! I just knew you wouldn't be able to resist a post about Pittsburgh. :whistling:
     
  8. Boloni86

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    My favorite talking point on the right now is how China is a horrible polluter and they're building all these dirty coal plants.

    And I'm like ... so you're admitting that coal is dirty and unhealthy? Or are you just a nihilist? If everyone else is shooting up heroin, do you say f**k it ... I might as well inject some in my penis. It's a race to see who can self destruct faster.
     
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  9. Bootsy Collins

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    Trust me, as a working scientist, I'm not under any illusions about the relationship of the populace at large to science. But 25 years ago I had some level of hope that the GOP, through their leaders and sources of power/money, would see the value of reason. Those intervening 25 years have steadily destroyed that hope.
     
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  10. Yoshou

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    No... no it isn't.. He can read this thread just as well as everyone else and, just like everyone else, respond to posts as he chooses.. This is particularly true given the tone of your post and your prior history indicates that you aren't interested in discussion, but rather that you want to troll him..
     
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    Don't bother trying to reason with the irrational.
     
  12. soccernutter

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  13. soccernutter

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    Too old.
     
  14. soccernutter

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  15. soccernutter

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    I make all the big decisions, too.

    Like when to clean the house, what to have to dinner, etc.

    How it gets done, I leave that up to her. :D;)
     
  16. Bootsy Collins

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    Once upon a time, when I was out looking for an apartment in a town where I would soon be moving to take a postdoc, a rental agent who was showing me apartments asked what I did for a living. I was a theoretical physicist; when she asked me what I worked on, I told her I did research into cosmology, the early universe, where galaxies come from, etc. (which is what field I was in back then) She asked if I was concerned that I was endangering the fate of my immortal soul by researching such things.

    Never mind any concern over her believing in some sort of creationist version of the history of the universe -- more depressing for me was that she had taken this one step further, that for her the simple use of reason, rather than blind acceptance of dogma, was serious sin.
     
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  17. soccernutter

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    @Cris 09 Not to mention, it was covered several days ago, as well.
     
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  18. Auriaprottu

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    Most compartmentalization is based on maturity. This is compartmentalism gone horribly wrong. Your friend has done what's required for well-paid and respected employment, but his fears about openly defying what he was told at some point cause him to cling to the 6K earth position, and that will in turn allow others who don't have his education to defend their ignorance using his example.
     
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  19. Auriaprottu

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    You haven't been to church in a while, have you? The pursuit of any knowledge that might conflict with Biblical dogma is a pretty serious offense in some places.

    Reason leads to questions that can't be answered Biblically. It's when it seems the most like it makes no sense at all that you're supposed to double down on the ignorance- flap your palms over your ears and tell whoever's talking that you're not listening. Your faith will carry the day, nothing to see here in these textbooks and classrooms...
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Evangelicals like George Bush and co should not be allowed to use Sat nav by law. :D
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    While I am not a fan of Evangelicals, I think this narrative has not that much to do with the US leaving the Paris deal.

    This kind of policy is effectively paid for and got.

    Big Coal for example, lost the public debate half a decade ago. Since that time, its been about hard power rather than soft.

    The new denial, based around economics and throwing your hands in the air, is just the cover story for milking the last profits from a dying industry.

    So yes, too many people are stupid, but this is about how big campaign finance corrupts US politics.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    #2247 The Jitty Slitter, Jun 2, 2017
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    I had a similar argument with @American Brummie before the election about Gary Johnson * as well - another guy espousing the Alamo version of climate change denial.

    Given their clever campaigns in Australia, it is alarming how meekly Greenpeace and 350.org surrendered in the US

    They really did fight and die on the wrong hill

    They seem to have thought they were up to the part where they force fossil divestment as government policy.

    But actually they were up to the part where trump takes everything back to Kyoto

    They got defeated by hard power plays in OZ as well.





    * don't get mad Brummie - I know you done good in Florida
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    The view will change only when the Industry lobby pivots.

    You might notice the Industry lobby already pivoted from flat denial (still heard in the US), to "waving hands in the air" per Gavin Schmidt

    This is the last stand / straw man denial which gives up on the fake science, and instead the argument is now purely political and based on economic fakery

    i.e. liberals m'kay / too expensive / lets wait for better tech

    This is pure cargo cult ideology, where a scientist comes down from the sky in 20 years and makes everything great

    See Bret Stephens at the NYC

    The irony being all the scientists say the opposite
     
  24. Belgian guy

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    You can avoid taking any classes that taught/teach evolution and still have enough biology credits to get into medical school, especially back in the day. Medical school doesn't even touch evolution.

    It is interesting that essentially a book written thousands of years ago is what shapes that view. It makes people think that science and religion can't co-exist because of it. But there is so much unknown and so much of the world we live in is due to millions/billions/trillions of events occurring in a sequence that's probability is infinitesimally small. It's what makes me believe in some divine power.
     
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