Trump: The Cognitive Slip Continues...

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  1. Dr. Wankler

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    I'm guessing that, with nearly universal military service, the average Israeli gets pretty decent firearms training on top of all this.
     
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  2. dapip

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    #227 dapip, Feb 13, 2026
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    That's unfair to poor/working class people, who have seen two of their main expenses increase way above inflation. Housing and transportation went up significantly during the last 6 years, and we were forced for a long while to use delivery services for the basic stuff. Yes, some people saw the stimulus checks and assumed that they'd become part of their regular budget, but I'd dare to say they're the minority, not the bulk.

    Add to that that corporations are rising prices for everything, and reducing the size, people really feel the squeeze.
     
  3. Dr. Wankler

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    When I was in grad school, there was a move to unionize the TAs. Honestly, as someone who grew up in a union household, I thought it was stupid. Unionizing for a job your going to have for 5 or 6 years (well, best case scenario) seemed like a solution to problems that didn't exist.
     
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  4. Sufjan Guzan

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    If every American knew beyond a reasonable doubt that they had to give up their front yards or else climate change was going to cause the World's population to be violently reduced by 40 percent, there would be a significant portion that would keep them. I'm talking like no more, "is climate change real?", everyone knows it's coming like a cancer diagnosis.
     
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  5. russ

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    But Trump said I'd be part of the 60 per cent!
    -Independent Centrists.
     
  6. bigredfutbol

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    Absolutely.

    I think the problem is that the people complaining the most weren't the people actually affected the most.

    I know a few middle class (often MAGA) people/couples who've skated through life hopping from one personal bankruptcy to the next while maxing out credit cards and being underwater on their mortgage--and driving new cars, taking expensive vacations, always owning the latest iPhone, etc.
     
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  7. russ

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    American unions became the way they are because European style unions emphasizing class solidarity were destroyed by government action.
     
  8. Sufjan Guzan

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    Just adding and agreeing--> a lack of education with the history in schools being told in a classist way that favored the elites. Farmers for example used to be one of the most reliable bases for the Socialist Party in this country. They became reliant on subsidies (as the workforce became entitled to workplace protections) without being given an accurate history of who, how, and when the fight happened to get those subsidies and workplace protections. Once given? No need to fight for them, no need to link it to a greater overall struggle.
     
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  9. dapip

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    Oh, but that applies to almost any political issue that the right spouted during the last decade...

    After all, Moms for Liberty are not (local) moms and they don't like liberty... There's a bunch of astroturfed organizations that specialize on making mountains out of (non-existing) mole hills, and the way our MSM covers it, makes it look as if a ton of people were actually concerned.

    On the other side, Biden took aim towards most of the real issues (and some of the fake ones as well), and the way it was reported, it was not enough, or the wrong measures, or didn't fit this or that constituency...

    Still, I had to point out that generalizations like "everyone is living beyond their means" ignore that a lot of families making $4k or $5k/month (or even less) saw their rents go from $1200 to $1600.
     
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  10. soccernutter

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    I would also point out that most people don't really get what "the Dow is at 50k" really means. That's a big number, but what does that mean, asks the normal person. And I would also say that most people might also find that number as something the only applies to the wealthy.
     
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    She almost also said "Dow 50k Dollars" ... which would have been funny.

    Anyways ... counting inflation ... it's like Dow 30k in money less than 10 years ago. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  12. superdave

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    Does the Dow adjust for inflation? Probably a stupid question but I’m asking it anyway.
     
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  13. soccernutter

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    https://archive.is/DmDbQ (New Yorker article)

    Her history starts about half way though the article. And, yeah, it reads like she went fascism as part of her desire for power. Though I will say, she also seems like one of those who got caught up in Trump's aura and is just following along for his approval.
     
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  14. soccernutter

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    What do you mean? The number (50,000 as quoted by Bondi) is a raw number.
     
  15. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Yeah I finally lost a bet with myself and listened to that audio. Strident, puling, and weird, like you say. In no way did she come off like any kind of litigator. Shocker.
     
  16. soccernutter

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    MAGA, to my eyes, is about grievance, not governance (or even ruling). Trump makes it look easy, to them, partly because he has figured out how to do look effective (as opposed to being effective) over decades in the limelight. But he isn't really good at either (governance or ruling) because it takes consideration and planning, both short and long, and he has never really been good at either. Hence all his business failings (as an example, his company, $DJT was over $30/share a year ago. Now it's just over $11/share). But the run of the mill MAGA doesn't really understand how hard it is when you don't have that ability to just look effective, and know how to say the right things. Besides, on a local level, people care more about small things like parking meters or pot holes or traffic lights, and MAGA doesn't do those small things very well.
     
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  17. chaski

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    Don’t follow leaders, watch the parking meters.
     
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  18. Pittsburgh Ref

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    If he gave a shit, Trump's parking meter czar would be Cool Hand Luke
     
  19. superdave

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    If inflation is 5% in 2026, and the stocks that make up the Dow also go up 5%, will the DJIA go up 5%, or 0%?
     
  20. zaqualung

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    It's funny you should say "the squeeze" because the first thing I noticed during Covid was a deflation in the fullness amount of toothpaste in its tube. Sneaky way of keeping their profit higher.

    And, they haven't brought it back to full since either....
     
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  21. soccernutter

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    I think you are mixing things. Inflation is based on economic output (more or less - I'm assuming you are talking about the inflation rate as is measured by CPI or CPE or PPI or the overall GDP), but the price of a stock is based on perceived value of a share. IOW, The value of a share is based on what somebody is willing buy it for, and what there person is willing to sell it for, now necessarily how much a company makes. Additionally, the price of the the DJIA also measures how many shares are available to buy/sell at a given price (basically, market cap - see below). To give you a comparison, from 2023

    upload_2026-2-13_14-47-5.png

    As you can see, the market cap in terms of size is not necessarily related to revenue. Market cap is the area that the DJIA (or NASDAQ, etc.) is calculated, but revenue is how the economy (inflation) is calculated.

    So, if inflation goes up by 5%, that is the overall economy and will be reflected in the revenue column. If the stock price by every company goes up by 5%, then the DJIA will go up by more than that (the measurement will be related to market cap of each individual company).

    To give an clearer example of what I'm talking about, see this comparison from the same chart (from 2023):
    upload_2026-2-13_14-56-40.png

    Based on this, Tesla's revenue is about $1B less than Disney, but their market cap is about 8.5x of Disney. (Market cap = share price x number of shares to buy and sell, usually called "outstanding shares.")

    Basically, share price is based off the perceived value of a company, while revenue is based off actual numbers.
    Also, revenue is backward looking while share price is forward looking.
     
  22. zaqualung

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    Just add it in to a general lack of knowledge about the connections between disparate subject matters....

    and multiply it by a thoughtless, ill-willed, dog's dinner of elliptical nonsense about the meanings of things.... ;)
     
  23. soccernutter

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    This is fun:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5732984-trump-switzerland-tariffs-phone-call/

    Trump told Fox Business’s Larry Kudlow that he once had an “emergency call from, I believe, the prime minister of Switzerland, and she was very aggressive. Nice, but very aggressive.” He recalled that she repeatedly said, “we are a small country.”

    “Again and again and again. I couldn’t get her off the phone,” the president continued. “So [the tariffs were] at 30 percent, and I didn’t really like the way she talked to us, and so instead of giving her a reduction, I raised it to 39 percent, and then I got inundated by people from Switzerland and I figured, ‘Do you know what? We’ll do something that’s a little bit more palatable.'”

    Trump was likely referring to former Swiss President Karin Keller-Sutter, who left office Dec. 31 and was succeeded by current President Guy Parmelin. The Hill reached out to the White House for clarification.

    He previously referred to the same phone call during a speech last month at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Trump gave a similar description of the conversation, adding that she “just rubbed me the wrong way, I’ll be honest with you.”

    White Christian Heterosexual (Male) Supremacy. Can't have a woman talk in an "agressive" way to you, can you Trump? :rolleyes: So insecure.
     
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  24. Naughtius Maximus

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    I've detailed how the inflation there was impacted people at the bottom more than other, richer people before on these boards but people don't like the data so they ignore it. All part of the 'we can choose our own reality', I guess :(

    But what made it worse was that people in the WH kept insisting the reason people didn't recognise how terrific things were was because they were too dumb to realise it.
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    I've at times brought up unionization in various jobs and it has always been about worker protection, both current and future. Didn’t matter how long I or otheres would stay.
     

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