Trump Presidency X-like American History X, but without the laughs

Oh yeah. This is really, really bad. If true, someone is going to jail for a long time.

 

Speaking of pardons, White House lawyers are reportedly vetting blanket pardons for Trump's family, associates, and, perhaps, even Trump.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whi...sts-push-trump-preemptively/story?id=74482289

They are, of course, framing it as merely protecting themselves from the impending witch hunt from the incoming Democratic administration.

 

Did Bill Barr just have his, I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy is cooking up, moment?

 

The Trump White House,where Bill Barr is the good guy.
Jesus Tap dancing Christ.

 

Ya think.....

Former President Barack Obama said that “snappy” slogans such as “defund the police” can alienate people, making the statements less effective than intended, Axios reports.

Said Obama: “You lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you’re actually going to get the changes you want done.”

 

Woke lefty "That just proves that Obama is as bad as Trump"

 

Who wants a pardon?

BREAKING NYT: Trump has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to Rudy Giuliani, and talked with Giuliani about pardoning him as recently as last week, according to people briefed on the matter. https://t.co/I9l3J2gSEl

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 2, 2020

 

You have no idea....Woke & Rose Twitter are very heated now and going after Obama. What a bunch of clowns.

 

Oh,who's a capitalist roader accomodationist noooowwwww???!!!

 

To piss on the parade:

If Trump is worried about the power of preemptive pardons, then Bill Barr is helping by getting indictments ASAP. If Rudy is indicted, he can get pardoned.

Any interpretation that suggests Barr is not wholly working to further Trump’s mafia is implausible.

 

3D Chess!!FINALLY!!!

 

Since when has a thing like “indictments” been necessary for a pardon? Nixon wasn’t charged when he got his pardon and Trump just gave Flynn a blanket pardon for all crimes he committed during the transition, including crimes the DoJ wasn’t aware of. I’d imagine Trump will do something similar here with his associates.

 

Are you a lawyer? You sure are confident! And I’d love to hear more about why you are.

My legal expert told me that it is her understanding that a person can’t be pardoned from crimes that have not been completed.

 

What do you mean by a “crimes that have not been completed”?

 

Not only is He thinking of a pardon for Rudy? He’s thinking of pre emptive pardons for his hell spawn.
Then now the JD is looking into a Pay-For -Pardon scheme.


(CNN)The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.

The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump's administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who've been loyal to him.
The disclosure is in 20 pages of partially redacted documents made public by the DC District Court on Tuesday afternoon. The records show Chief Judge Beryl Howell's review in August of a request from prosecutors to access documents obtained in a search as part of a bribery-for-pardon investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/presidential-pardon-justice-department/index.html

 

Traditionally, they aren’t necessarily wrong? But we are also in an era where the Supreme Court is dominated by disciples of the unitary executive and we have the “precedent” of Nixon’s pardon and, now, Flynn’s pardon that absolved him from not only the crimes he was indicted for, but any he wasn’t indicted for as well. We also haven’t had a case that sets a limit of a President’s pardon power. In part that’s because we’ve had President’s that believe there is a limit to their power and Trump doesn’t believe there are limits.

 

Did anyone try to go after Nixon after his pardon?

Has it been tested in court?

 

No and no. But it’s a pardon given without an indictment, the court hasn’t set a limit on a President’s pardon power, and SCOTUS is currently dominated by people that believe the President’s power over the executive is absolute.

 

If it's absolute, what's to stop the next guy from voiding the pardons?

 

Unpardoning isn’t listed in the Constitution, but pardoning is.

 

@Yoshou

is there any way to challenge the constitutionality of a self pardon beyond indicting him, having him assert that he can’t be tried because of the pardon...then follow the appeals process? Is there a way for the DOJ to challenge the constitutionality without that?

 

Good question? I wonder if the Judge in Flynn’s case might challenge his pardon. But I’m not sure of the answer otherwise.

 

Does the judge have to accept the pardon? I’ve seen some speculation that the blanket nature of the pardon could be used to invalidate the entire pardon because it may make it so Trump is pardoning a co-conspirator.