Troussier to coach China NT??

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by ForzaGrifo, Oct 27, 2002.

  1. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
  2. Deleted Users

    Deleted Users Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Is this good or bad for the chinese..?
     
  3. TrooperBari

    TrooperBari Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    Jakarta
    Bora is Troussier is Bora ... a barn-storming yet successful international manager with a defensive and disciplined style.

    Troussier would be a step up for China, but I'm not sure if it would get them much farther. They still need a force in midfield that can consistently make plays and inject some creativity. Still, I think the talent China has right now would mesh nicely if Troussier used a similar system to what he used in Japan.

    I think it'd be a good pairing, but it probably won't last longer than one World Cup cycle.
     
  4. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    "I think it'd be a good pairing, but it probably won't last longer than one World Cup cycle."

    how many coaches these days last more than 1 world cup cycle? not many so saying this is pointless.

    all that matters is that China qualifies.
     
  5. K_19

    K_19 New Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Toronto, ON, Canada
    I think it would be a good signing for China if they got Troussier... I'm sure he will at least put China up a level by the amount he did while he was coaching japan.
     
  6. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    I think Troussier would be a good coach for China. I was thoroughly impressed by Japan's zone press and high-tempo style of play this summer. He would definitely be a big step up from Bora.

    Trooper, I wouldn't just slap a label on Troussier and call him defensive. It all depends on who you're playing against. If you're playing superior opponents, can you afford not to take a defensive stance??
     
  7. TrooperBari

    TrooperBari Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    Jakarta
    Yes, you can. Taking the play to the "superior opposition" works as well, but that's a debate for another time and forum.

    Troussier to China would be a good fit. If all the parties involved can come to an agreement, China would stand a good chance of making their second World Cup.
     
  8. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    I liked how Troussier turned Japan into a disciplined team that always put the team ahead of the individual but he does come with quite a bit of baggage.

    - Secrecy: he tries to motivate players by always keeping them guessing. This is good to a point since it prevents players from getting complacent, but it also means players are always looking over the shoulder and never know if he has the coach's confidence. The place on the team should never be taken for granted, but players perform best when they know where they stand in the team.

    - Mind games: in addition to keeping his team guessing, he likes to use mind games for motivation. Troussier's unpredictable enough that he could say the most outrageous thing and could be taken seriously. Again, this prevents complacency but after a while, players don't know what to believe.

    - Alienating players: his insistence on the Team First philopsophy is such that he has a strong distaste for players who dare not perform within the team concept or or receive more than their share of publicity. He targeted his star players for abuse, most notably Nakata and Nakamura. Rather than forge a working relationship with his star, he went out of his way to put Nakata down (though much of the criticism was justified). By the time World Cup rolled around, it seemed Nakata learned to tune Troussier out. Nakamura was not so lucky, as his confidence was severely shattered and only now recovering through his club play.

    Also, his huge ego and surliness with the press are well documented. But despite all of the above, I believe China will be a better team after 4 years with Troussier than without. And at the end of 4 years, they will have had enough of him and won't be able to let go of him quicker.
     
  9. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    skipsshady..... your description of Troussier sounds just liked Bora. While I am a fan of Bora as a coach, I disliked the style of his teams. They were all ugly to watch. Troussier's teams looked much better.

    BTW, I was at Rokko Island just yesterday afternoon.
     
  10. crom80

    crom80 New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    my only beef with him is that he chews his gum like a cow redigesting

    and that thing when Troussier ran over to Zidane to get his sign after a game in Confederations CUp... grow some balls man...

    but great coach otherwise
     
  11. onemorerevolution

    onemorerevolution New Member

    Sep 23, 2002
    MA
    As long as he doesn't bring the guy with funny haircut to sit with him, China will improve.
    I don't know what his role is, but he is bad luck.
     
  12. jamisont

    jamisont Member

    Jan 30, 2002
    Depends on he can speak chinese or not.
    I think he was an interpreter.
     
  13. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Now Frank Rijkaard is rumored to be considered by the Chinese FA.

    Things are getting more and more interesting.
     
  14. shenhua

    shenhua New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Parramatta
    I'm a bit skepical. It's like "the Koreans did well with a dutch coach, lets get a dutch guy as well".
     
  15. shenhua

    shenhua New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Parramatta
    Hmm, Frank Rijkaard is only 40 years old, 190 centimetres tall. Maybe if he stays long enough we could get him to play for us!
     
  16. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Well, Rijkaard did well coaching Netherlands at Euro 2000, albeit with a supremely talented squad. Though it would've helped if he had made his team practice PKs.

    As for playing, I'm afraid he's already played a few matches for Netherlands so he's cap-tied. :p
     
  17. kc123

    kc123 Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Henri Michel and Willem Van Hanegem are also reported to be targeted by the CFA. We have 4 candidates now. Things are indeed getting more interesting.
    The former Chinese manager Bora Milutinovic backs Troussier for the job. Here are what he said to the Chinese media earlier this month:" Troussier had brought in a lot of young players during his spell in Japan, giving them many opportunities to blossom at the highest level. His success is clear, nobody can deny the work Troussier has done with Japan."

    BTW, Spurs scouts check on Qu Bo, Du Wei...... Here is the link that I found:
    http://www.spurs2000.com/news/news_october_2002/news2002_10_28d.htm
     
  18. shenhua

    shenhua New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Parramatta
  19. kc123

    kc123 Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    I can't believe that neither. He sucks and he is too old. I don't think Shenhua will let Du Wei go.
    lol, Wu Chengying seems to be the only guy who is eligible for the work permit.
     
  20. shenhua

    shenhua New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Parramatta
    I think chinese clubs rarely refuse to let their players go to play in Europe. Unlike Korean clubs.
    But why are they so interested in players they can't possibly sign because of their countries work permit rule?
     
  21. foreverjunjun

    foreverjunjun New Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    oh~~ yes they can. After losing 5-0 to france once , second time they played, they played 9 men defense. they did the same to other big powers.
     
  22. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    "I think chinese clubs rarely refuse to let their players go to play in Europe. Unlike Korean clubs. "

    they need the money
     
  23. Ticallista

    Ticallista Member

    Jul 5, 2002
    Their clubs have already rejected the story as "pure rumour".

    You can't really trust the media nowadays.

    But Spurs were really scouting Qu Bo.
     
  24. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    True. If Qu had gotten his work permit, he would be playing at Tottenham now.

    Back to Troussier. He's not defensive in the purest sense, the way Bora is. But it seems that he does not trust his players to do their own thinking and therefore prefers scrappy players who run for 90 minutes and work their ass off over more talented players who create chances - and risks.
     
  25. shenhua

    shenhua New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Parramatta
    That's a great description of Li Tie. When you watch Everton matches, Li Tie is almost invisible, but you know that behind the scenes he's running his butt off.
     

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