Transfers - The Great Media Clickbait Rumour BS Thread

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  1. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
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    My understanding is that in some Algonquan (Algonquian?) languages, it is simply the word for 'woman' or 'womanly' ... 'spirit of a woman', etc. But in other native american languages, it was (is?) a more derogatory word for 'women', implying 'loose woman', or even describing the female genitalia.

    Presumably the latter was also implied in some 'white' usage of the word back in the day, and despite the fact that virtually all 'white' usage of the word has basically meant 'native american woman' for generations, the fact that it has been seen by some as derogatory at some point in time means the contemporary defenders of the oppressed have taken it upon themselves to include the word among the ever-growing list of those that must be eradicated from any use, however benign.

    I think it's a fair bet that Mrs Chickasaw wasn't referring to herself as a whore, but fortunately there are folks out there protecting her from herself. :thumbsup: :unsure:
     
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  2. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    Wiki says it is considered derogatory in a way that demeans Native American women. Personally, I've only known it as a derogatory word used for Native Americans. Didn't know that it more specific against Native American women.
     
  3. Golara

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  4. soccernutter

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    Huh? Very clearly, the author states the word is derogatory...or, rather, disparaging and offensive.

    First let me say that I have never "disputed the fact that the term is offensive'' (as claimed by
    Muriel Charwood-Litzau in your mid December 1996 issue, citing a misleading Associated Press
    story). I have always tried to emphasize that ********** is now generally considered disparaging, as
    current dictionaries rightly indicate. Everyone would regard its use to refer to a Native American
    woman as demeaning (or colossally ignorant), though it should be noted that terms like **********
    bread and ********** dance are still pretty widely used in Indian Country.

    Yes, it is and has been used, historically, among some indigenous populations in some form. I don't think anybody is disputing that. But, as language does evolve over time, both in form and in definition (usage), so has s q u a w.

    Btw, as a mod, I also happen to know it was not "woke zealots" who threw out the term. I happen to know that a Native Indian poster was the one who identified the word as offensive and up for banning (as it has been used by others in such manner).
     
  5. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
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    Anyone ever heard of this guy? I reckon we must be done signing center backs for the moment.

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  6. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    It has nothing to do with evolution of language. It has to do with people misunderstanding how language works and then accusing people of doing something without any proof.

    This claim has more recently become widely known because of the following statement made on the Oprah Winfrey television show in 1992 by Suzan Harjo: "The word **********, for example, is an Algonquian [sic] Indian word meaning 'vagina,' and that'll give you an idea what the French and British fur-trappers were calling all Indian women, and I hope no one ever uses that term again.'' (From the program "Racism in 1992: Native Americans,'' as transcribed from a videotape by Jim Rementer at the request of a Delaware tribal member who knew from his knowledge of his own language that it was incorrect.

     
  7. soccernutter

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    Wiki tells me he's only 20, so one of for the near future?
     
  8. soccernutter

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    Again, I said that it was used among some indigenous populations in some form (the article clearly states it had variations). But language does change. Particularly when a word is translated from one language to another.
     
  9. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
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    You always have to be leery of highlight videos but, having seen a couple, I'm excited. I don't think he's going to be loaned out. Mobile, quick feet, good passer. Very brave making tackles in the penalty box. Four caps already for Japan.
     
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  10. pookspur

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    Its difficult to ascertain our needs at centerback, as Ange's set up exposed all but a very select few of a very specific skillset to almost certain failure. I suspect that we'll find Dragu to be significantly better than what's he showed under Ange. And, of course, one of Frank's strengths is his ability to set sides up to maximize player strengths and minimize weaknesses. So while we've all spent much of the last two years lamenting our need for more depth at centerhalf, it may be - actually, I think its a dead certainty - that weve already become deeper at that position by virtue of our managerial change.

    Deep enough? I dont know. But deeper, for sure.
     
  11. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    Yes, languages do change, and I would like to think I know a thing or two about translation and language, being a translator myself.

    But this issue is not about language evolution. It is about people taking a word out of context without understanding the origin and the use of the word, and then accusing a group of people from the past of using the word in a derogatory context, without any proof or documentation.
     
  12. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    Addition by subtraction
     
  13. Funkfoot

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    If the plan is to play with 3 center backs, as Frank has sometimes done, you need to have a bunch of 'em. But who knows what the plan is, eh?
     
  14. jumhed

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    Mar 26, 2001
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    Part of the plan must be to score within the first minute.
     
  15. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    As opposed to Ange's plan of conceding in the first minute.
     
  16. pookspur

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    The sooner you concede, the sooner you can start your comeback. Simples.
     
  17. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    We had lots of those in the league, didn't we?
     
  18. soccernutter

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    Yeah, I read after I posted that he has been brought in to be part of the first team.
     
  19. soccernutter

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    Huh? Where did that come up in this conversation? :confused:
     
  20. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    Read the article.
     
  21. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
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    Mr. Romano saying we want Kudus and he wants to join Spurs.
     
  22. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    But does Herr Levy wants ta pay the monies?
     
  23. soccernutter

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    He's gonna wait until the last minute to try and strike a deal, just like he did one time with VDV. He wants to relive that moment every single transfer window.
     
  24. jumhed

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    Haha!

    I think its probably market value. Is Kudus really worth more than Romero? Nope.
     
  25. Golara

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    Aug 3, 2007
    Solanke came in on August 9th, and Odobert on August 16th.

    This is foreplay for Herr Levy.
     

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