Transfer Rumors Abroad

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Froboy69, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't know if I really agree with this. Even if he's good he's certainly not worth 100M. To even mention that number is an insult to every potential buyer. Sure that come winter there will be some top teams that have underperformed and that will need an injection to rise in the table. So they still may get good money for him in january. And hopefully they will come up with a more reasonable amount. By next summer I think it will be too late. Especially for Arias because he would twice as loved as he is today (when they compare him to pele) + getting a lower offer than they get today.

    Maybe the presidenta just assumes nobody takes her seriously for being a woman and therefore compensates it by being twice as ruthless as her male collegues. Wouldnt be the first time that happens.

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    And no, I don't rule out her having a crush on our boy as every other colombian horny woman on twitter :D
     
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  2. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
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    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  3. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Maybe he can transform and step up his game in Italy.
     
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  4. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The $100M is just talk, equiv to them saying they dont need to sell him now. I am confused why everyone is getting hung up on it.

    If someone comes in with a serious bid for Rios, they would listen - $22M from West Ham just wasn't enough.
     
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  5. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
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    Colombia
    #9255 ryu79, Aug 28, 2024
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    Just following here - all the Brasilian media posts are saying Palmeiras are looking for R$100-150M ($18-27M USD).

    I think we have lazy Colombian journos not considering exchange rates to create a cool story about how a Colombian player is worth $100M USD...

    I think if anyone comes in at $30M USD he goes.

    Update: My bad! Latest report I found did suggest the release clause is at 100M euro. Apologies to Colombian journalism!
     
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  6. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well to me it's moronic to spread disinformation about themselves, If they can't make up their mind what they really want to charge, then they simply could say "if the right bid comes in we are willing to listen". They come off as clowns for potential buyers. But as ryu says could be the journalists fault as well.
     
  7. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    To be clear - there is ALWAYS a difference between a players release clause (which are always astronomic because they imply that the selling team has no choice on whether to sell) and what a team will actually sell a player for.

    In rare cases you might hear of a player who has such high demand from a team that the seller believes has the means to pay the release where someone might get held to it, but most deals don't involve triggering the release clause and not all players agree to their being release clauses.

    It's possible that Rios has a release clause thats higher (don't know for sure) - but the Brasilian sites I see reporting on X are saying that Palmeiras won't open conversations for less than R$100-150M (in Brasilian currency, which trades roughly 5 to the dollar).
     
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  8. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Well I think its 2 different issues at play

    1. Palmeiras are negotiating and it mid season, teams rightfully shouldn't want to lose a player they weren't expected to lose mid season for lower than their valuation
    2. If Rios wants to go he probably has to agitate to do it, and/or it depends on the last contract he signed.

    Saying 100m is obviously ridiculous, but I think setting a big number like 30m makes a lot of sense for a player you think is still getting better and has the tools to reach a higher valuation and let people know not to waste time and put ideas in the players head. It's hard to manage a squad not knowing half way in if your best players might go and Euro teams are taping them up constantly.
     
  9. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    What disinformation? It's on the buying clubs to come with a serious offer, Palmeiras doesn't have any reason they have to listen to a club interested in your player mid season, Brazilian clubs aren't just junior leagues for Europe to chose from anytime they want, especially considering they just got big money for Endrick.
     
  10. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Ok, I'll correct myself. This report from Brazil does state that Rios has a release clause in his contract and that it's 100M euro. First time I've seen, and my bad.

    The team is using the release clause to try and drive away interest in Rios - but I have to think if they get a serious offer he would move given he is 24 years old and nearing the age where Euro teams start to look away based on resale potential being so important.

    The key to why this is happening is that Palmeiras has already sold 8 players this window according to the article and they are concerned about not having any of their stars in play for continuity. They are flush with cash and are in the unique position to have negotiating power.

    https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/fute...teudo&utm_campaign=organica&utm_content=geral
     
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  11. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I wonder what those other 7 players were apart from endrick. If they were young teens I would've kept them from a business standpoint. They don't risk to loose value the same way as a player just after an excellent COPA.

    If they are selling him for anything less than 100M then it is disinformation. The Devil is in the details. Just specify that his release clause is 100M but if they get a good bid they may sell him. I don't think that is clear enough.

    But as stated before this may partly be the journalists fault that like sensational headlines.

    I still think it's possible he may leave in january. Otherwise it has been an ok window for us, even if Rios and Arias couldn't move to a better league I'm very happy that Yaser didn't get his career ruined.
     
  12. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Fluminense are selling André for around 25m too
     
  13. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Per the article they are:

    "Palmeiras has already sold too much in 2024. The club has traded a number of players this season: Artur, Kevin, Merentiel, Matheus Fernandes, Endrick, Luis Guilherme, Luan and Jhon Jhon. Abel even announced in a press conference in June that Palmeiras had already made a lot of money from sales and no more players would be traded… "

    Can't forget Jhon Jhon!
     
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  14. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  15. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Hope they won't screw him over as they did with arias and rios. It is almost as I prefer MLS or that Junior holds on to him so he can go straight to Europe, although it hardly ever happens. Brazilians are greedy and if it's not one of their own they have no problem obstructing transfers.
    If he goes I hope it's a short contract for 2 years so he can leave if he notices any club interested in him.
     
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  16. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia


    Seems like portugals deadline day is sept 2. Nice for him. We need to change our system to 7-2-1 with all these CB's going to europe. :)
     
  17. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    What country is that ?
     
  18. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Oops my bad. It seems to be Brazil, the prison of our footballers. But I think portugal also has a Bragantino team. Anyway this is the Brazil one.
     
  19. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  20. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Even if they would want to I think it's too late. France has the same deadline day as EPL. So less than 48 hours left. Have you seen this done before? Travel all the way to france and all the terms and the medical. Unless they can do all that in Brazil but I doubt PSG have people there.
     
  21. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    They have until the last minute

    remember De Gea to Madrid didn’t go through because the Fax didn’t go through.
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    I have high hopes for that Palacios kid. Really impressive CB prospect to say the least.
     
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    It is being reported that Boca Juniors was interested in Jaminton Campaz but the asking price is way too high for them. (Supposedly 10 million.)
     
  24. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah maybe it was dumb to leave caldas for a small Brazil team. If Europe would spot him he would be able to leave easier and caldas would get more of the money.
     
  25. Uzuriaga

    Uzuriaga Member+

    Feb 9, 2009
    Estocolmo
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia


    Probably humo but comes from a brazilian source it seems. Flu won't probably agree to it because their survival in the league + libertadores will be compromised.
    But that would be the absolute best place to be. Love the possession style of Girona and Arias would fit like a glove. If it can't be done now. Hope he can leave in January if they also have a window which I suppose they have.
     
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