Transfer Rumors Abroad

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Froboy69, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    #6601 villus, Jan 20, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2022
    Gasperini adjusted tactically to avoid playing 3 primary attackers because they were too wide open at the back and tactically they had more then enough attack to beat teams like Valencia but needed more defending. Ilicic was playing and producing numbers second to only Messi so wasn't really droppable and Papu was undroppable and played a different profile. So Gasperini wasn't dropping Duvan for important games, he adjusting tactically to be pragmatic when they were giving up goals too much and had a guy in Ilicic who was at a level that was insane, and in those games Ilicic had tons of goals and assists. Duvan doesn't have the specialist level in any specific area aside from link up play but the overall combo of so many talents is extremely rare and valuable and his finishing is at a world class level comparably.

    *In the second game of the knockout Ilicic scored 4 goals and Atalanta still gave up 3, seems like it wasn't a case of Duvan being poor more of a player who can score 4 goals and dribbles, finishes, creates at levels per 90 close to Messi is un dropable.
     
  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Duvan isnt close to messi
     
  3. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Yes clearly Duvan is better
     
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  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Not like Rodallega, but close.
     
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  5. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Rodallega
    Duvan
    Teo



    Messi
     
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  6. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    cucho

    >>>>>>>
     
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  7. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    This is a list of humans, Cucho Is a god
     
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  8. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yikes. Just imagine if we could nationalize Isco...
     
  9. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  10. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah, I saw the same this morning. Still a loan deal. Not sure that will work for Atalanta. Im not sure if you can sell/buy a % of a player in the UK (I believe it's outlawed there) but if I were Atalanta and needed to immediately replace Duvan in this window, I would insist on money upfront. It's a gamble otherwise.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    loan with obligation....is a a buy offer.
     
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  12. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they probably think they're signing Faustino Asprilla. They are mistaken.
     
  13. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No. Obligation is only triggered if they stay up. Otherwise the offer would be described as a purchase made with two installments. Hence the gamble - Atalanta already said they wouldn't accept those terms for sensible reasons.

    Newcastle is trying to manage their own payroll risks with that structure but you can see why it would be less attractive to a seller with a thin squad.
     
  14. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they think they'll go down. I don't think they will
     
  15. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I doubt they THINK they will either but it's risk management.

    Given how rich the owners are I am surprised they are trying to be precious about it, but if they are going back with a loan + but on in summer they are.

    If you are Atalanta you then have to weigh your own risks and what you think you can sell Duvan for in July and make a call. For Duvan, he needs to take the payday if it appears when it does.
     
  16. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    yeah I know but im not Atalanta. I think that Newcastle will sign a better forward in the summer. Duvan might be a short term fix
     
  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No, you are refering to an option, is different.. that the potential buyer is entitled to use the option or not. In obligatio they HAVE to pay when the condition happened...in this csse the condition is the expired of the loan

    Actually duvan arrived from sampdoria in this way


    Why they do? It have to do a lot of with faiir play issues
     
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  18. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  19. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The specific coverage on the offer from Newcastle over past few days was that the obligation to buy would be triggered by the staying up. That was explicitly part of the rationale stated for Atalanta turning down the last offer. Cash flow and risk.

    Of course there are lots of ways they could offer and structure the loan.

    If they removed the trigger on staying up, this structure would still present a cash flow issue for Atalanta given the need to replace Duvan with someone in a Jan market where it's always tougher to find folks that teams will relinquish.

    Let's see once more of the details come out, but ostensibly this sounds like just more money layered on same structure.
     
  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    but this is a NEW offer.
     
  21. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yes. We've both been saying that. Let's see if they find a way to get around the implied cash flow problems for Atalanta and if they have removed the trigger on the purchase when more details emerge. One would think these will be important factors.
     
  22. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  23. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    It's all just conjecture without concrete news anyways, this stuff gets clicks and sells papers so outlets will jump on anything they can. Atalanta aren't even going to consider unless its money in the bank for sure, be it an obligation or up front and if they have someone lined up. For Duvan its hard to turn down that money, can't blame him at this stage, but Newcastle can get relegated the team is a mess and they're going to need to figure out a lot of stuff really quickly and land the right players to stay up.
     
  24. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    And Emile Heskey….more EPL goals than Messi

    Facts are facts
     
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  25. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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