Yes, the complete list is accessible to NCAA coaches. Only. That’s how it is every year this same question is asked. And, that’s also how it should be.
I don’t need a lecture. I simply asked a question b/c of the post stating 6 players from TCU were in the portal.
I simply answered the question, as several do every year that the same question gets posed. I’m sorry you perceive things the way you do on a message board.
There are 727 D1 Women in the transfer portal that are NOT grad or 5th year transfers. There are about 175 of those so around 900 D1 women are listed today. There are about 300 more D2 and D3 names listed so that makes approx 1200 total. Remember that the "Transfer Window" is only for D1 and was created as a window of time to ENTER the portal. Once an athlete is in there, they are eligible to be recruited and enroll at another school anytime thereafter. Also - a "Dead Period" just limits in-person contact - watching players and doing in-person visits. It does NOT restrict communications. So D1 coaches and recruits - transfers, (25s not already signed), and 26s can text, email, phone call, and zoom during the dead period. The Holiday Dead Period ONLY applies to D1 Women's Soccer coaches. They didn't want to feel compelled to go to Florida or have campus visits over their holiday break. But many will still be actively communicating with recruits. sorry if this sounded like a lecture
those are staggering numbers. Was it like this 5 years ago? What about last year? Would you expect more enter as the tournament goes on?
Last year there were 2,596 players in the portal 22-23 was- 2,325 Keep in mind that as mentioned the transfer windows only apply to DI players and those numbers are through July of each year. Additionally at the DI level Grad Transfers can enter outside of the windows as can players who are at program that has a head coaching change. The window sure do make it seem like the sky is falling and tends to dominate social media this time of the year but whether or not we see a continued uptick we won't really know until summer.
are they really THAT staggering? It equates, at the division 1 level, to less than 3 players per program (obviously some have more and some less but that’s average). I just don’t feel like it’s THAT staggering. I think there’s a lot of negative attention and almost “Sky is falling” mentality about women’s soccer and the transfer portal… it’s not that crazy. Kids want to play, and when they aren’t, they look elsewhere. Kids think they are playing at a lower level than they should be, so they look elsewhere. Coaches cut players because of roster limits or because their job is on the line and they’ll get fired if they don’t improve so a player is forced to look elsewhere. That’s pretty much it. The portal has just made more public what has always existed in college women’s soccer, especially at the division 1 level. Could there be more players transferring now than before? Sure. But it’s easier to do. But 4-year completion rate at the program a player started at probably hasn’t changed that much compared to a decade ago. It’s just made it easier to leave. I think we are far from a transfer crisis, though with roster caps this year may be a little more than previous. But I don’t think it’s room for alarm and for everyone on social media to call it some sort of a crisis when 3 players per program, on average, transfer.
One reason the transfer numbers may have been high the past couple of years is due to the players receiving an extra year of eligibility due to Covid. So there were a lot of grad transfers. Those players no longer exist as the players who received the extra year have now graduated out. But the new factor is the roster limits, so it will be interesting to see the final portal numbers this year.
Good stuff on this one! So accurate and realistic for all those "sky is falling" people with the portal. There's over 10000 DI women's soccer players, and nearly 30000 across all three NCAA divisions. This transfer rate isn't all that staggering at all. In fact, it's even better than the average four-year transfer of non-SAs (rounded up to too). Roughly 10-11% for women's soccer with the 2023-24 number rounded-up compared to 13-14% of non-SAs. Remove the grad transfers from the list since they are never factored into non-SA transfers and that number drops even more -- I also feel like they shouldn't be factored into the true transfer numbers anyway.
LOL! He didn't perceive your response incorrectly and you didn't answer the question 'simply.' You gave a response to a question he didn't ask.
Just double checking, the end date is just for entering the portal. Finding a new school could happen in January of February, or later?
Schools have various admissions deadlines and enrollment dates. It's very possible the Spring semester could start, or an application deadline passes, at a particular school before the 'dead period' is over in January so "it depends" on the competitiveness and admissions dates and policies at the new school. If you are talking about next Fall enrollment, then the player in the portal now has lots of time to get recruited again and get admitted but then may sacrifice an entire Spring season at school 1. Quite a few D1s do not take kindly to kids entering the portal and they lose benefits immediately - like laundry service, tutoring, discounted or free books, meal services, maybe even their dorm assignment could change for the Spring if they are no longer an active 'athlete'.
It would make sense for an athlete who completed their season for the academic calendar to keep their scholarship benefits through the end of the academic calendar in the spring/early summer if they choose to stay the full academic year.
New roster limits, as already discussed, are going to make this a particularly active portal year. Roster limits also probably mean future years will continue to be active because teams will be forced to make more cuts for non performing players. As NIL and the semi pro model takes over the NCAA, athletes will be held more accountable for their performance. The portal trend that will be interesting to see that would mirror basketball/football… Are players with pro ambitions (and abilities) that are on non P3 (I’m not including Big XII as “power conference” in women’s soccer) schools going to be more active in trying to make a jump to the ACC, Big 10 or SEC? Duke’s impact transfer from Santa Clara comes to mind as an example.
But the coach of the outgoing transfers school needs their money in the spring to bring in a new player. If you are going to shop around (by your own decision to transfer) you should not get to remain on scholarship. However, if you are cut, then you should be able to keep it through the full academic year. I believe that is the case, too, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I understand your argument. But, it’s no different than a senior keeping her scholarship through the academic year after their last season of eligibility in the fall. I suppose my point is, if an athlete has been on the roster for the full season, they should get their scholarship for the full academic year.
Very different. The Senior is Not quitting the team and so essentially quitting the school. Many schools will stop benefits the day they enter the portal and def not honor the scholly in the next semester. I know a coach, whose team was in the NCAA Tournament, and immediately cut off the 4-5 players that wanted to get into the portal. There have been coaches who take all their gear as well. Typically, the player keeps their money for the balance of the current semester, but not always for the next semester. In the past, I have seen examples where a player starts the academic semester, then in week 2 or 3, tries to get into the portal, so they do get to keep their scholarship. That's one reason why there is a 'window' now to enter the portal at the end of each semester. It does depend on several factors, namely who is initiating the transfer, school policies, status of the coach, etc. Recall that nearly all the Florida State kids entered the portal when Mark quit so they had some leverage until knowing who the new coach was. First thing Pensky had to do was essentially recruit those players back out of the portal. Of course, there are plenty of cases where the coach at school 1 will help the player find school 2 and be as helpful as possible. I think that's the exception these days.
I have to ask this question, because we are trying to make sure my daughter is completely understanding what was told to her because of the ramifications of scholarship money. She just had her end of season meeting this week. She has a good relationship with her current coach, and she has been through a lot this year with her injury. She is a redshirt senior and will graduate in May with her bachelor's degree. She has 1 year left because of her injury. We already knew moving forward that she would need to transfer for her fifth year, her money needs to go to other players. He told her however, that she could enter the portal now, so she could get her name out. He said that she would still be active on the roster and he would make sure she didn't lose any of her scholarship money, and she is still rehabbing, as she is nine months post op. He said that she is still going to be on the spring roster, pending clearance prior. We truly can't afford for her to lose her scholarship, and thought about reaching out to her coach to verify everything. Any thoughts? TIA.
We had a similar situation and asked for everything in writing. It's one thing to say they'll let her keep her money and another to put it down on paper.
did you have your daughter ask for it in writing, or did you as the parents step in and ask? my kid is adamant that she fully comprehends what was told to her. because originally, she thought she wouldn't be able to go in until spring until her meeting. she even told him that, and he said, dont, they will cut your scholarship, but if you tell me before you go in i can make some phone calls and you will be fine. We know the "normal" transfer process because my kid transferred her junior year to where she is now, and we know it is a rat race, trying to do visits and go through all of the hoopla, etc. Her coach said to make sure to put his phone number so coaches can reach out to him directly. and that in spring he can give her tape from training, etc when she is cleared to return. im not sure how that will help three months down the road, which is why i questioned the intent of entering now? she hasnt played since the beginning of the year. And she isn't the normal acl, she ruptured her achilles. so idk.
Keep in mind your kid is an adult, one who's about to graduate from college. It is their responsibility to reach out to the coach when necessary. To be fair, it sounds like the coach is already going well above and beyond everything they're required to do. it sounds like they genuinely care and are working to finesse the system for their player's short and long-term benefits. So, maybe dial it back a notch and empower your adult daughter to either ask or don't ask and accept the results either way. ... or you could jump in as a third party, but don't be surprised if the coach says nevermind to the whole thing and handles it by the book from now on. (because why would you need to jump in and ask for it in writing if you weren't already saying you don't trust them and are preparing for a legal battle?)
slow your roll. im asking legit questions from a perspective of a Gen X parent...we are skeptical by nature...i have a kid who just turned 21 two weeks ago, no longer needs a fake id, and just assumes that whatever is told to her must be true. and she drinks well tequila. i want this girl to graduate, with no debt, me less stressful without debt and enjoy the last 4 months before she graduates. . this isnt our first or last rodeo. i have enough stress with my son heading to mls fest and academy. i dont like surprises. ever. i like her coach, never had a problem, and i like asking questions, because we all know what the word ASSume really means.