Toronto Cuts Welsh Loose

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by PhantomTollbooth, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. PhantomTollbooth

    PhantomTollbooth New Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Appleton, WI
    Chicago Fire
    He's headed to Blackpool in England.

    What surprised me is that he was making over $200,000:eek:
  2. Mr.Portugal

    Mr.Portugal New Member

    Nov 14, 2005
    greatest news ever yesterday when i heard the that it is confirmed i cant stop smiling!
  3. Kung Fu Hamster

    Kung Fu Hamster New Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Oops, I think your link was changed---it now goes to a tennis article. Here's one I found:

    Welsh cut loose
  4. pupusa3000

    pupusa3000 Member

    May 15, 2001
    East Bay Area
    Pardon for the ignorance as I haven't really kept up with TFC, but was Welsh a really bad player?
  5. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    He wasn't terrible really, he probably could have been a sometimes-starter on a lot of MLS teams.

    $200K though? BUH-BYE!!!!
  6. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did they get a transfer fee or just give him away?
  7. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    sounds like he was released and found a new team.
  8. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Welsh wasn't a terrible player. But there are 2 factors that made him terrible for TFC:

    1. He cost $200k. Anyone making that kind of money should be great--a starter or top sub at a key position who makes a difference regularly in games. Welsh was quick and he hustled. And other than that, he was quick and he hustled. Did I say that he hustled?

    2. TFC right now isn't getting a lot of contributions from Canadians. So EVERY player who's an SI or YI needs to start and be a strong player or a major contributor. Many of their SI's fall into that category (Cunningham, ROB). But on a club that is maxed out of SI slots and Canadians are either too expensive (ie: Euro-based) or not MLS pedigree yet (ie: USL and not strong USL), the only way for that team to improve is through their SI's or YI slots.

    But cutting Welsh loose, TFC doesn't clear any cap room (his salary is guaranteed for the season now) but they do open up a slot they can use on another player and got rid of someone who didn't contribute much other than being quick and hustling a lot.
  9. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's Mo Johnston for you. There are somethings that he does that are ok, but then there are things that make you wanna pull your hair out.

    Plus, he is not much on a team being fit.
  10. torfchamilton

    torfchamilton New Member

    May 3, 2007
    Ancaster, ON Canada
    As someone who has watched each game, Welsh is shite. He hustles and that's it, although he had his best game vs LA I think. He is not MLS calibre and to top it of $205 000.

    I am sure whatever his remaining salary was collected by MLSE through the backdoor.

    If he was transferred, then MLS would receive money, so he was waived, much easier that way
  11. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JoeW- if I was ever described like that, I hope I never touch a field again. That's damn harsh. I somewhat agree, but damn.
  12. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    It's all in the context. If Welsh had been a Canadian citizen making $40k, than he'd be a great roster signing. He hustles, has pro experience and is quick and a mediocre wide player.

    But he's not Canadian and he makes $200k+. And given those realities, he's judged at a different standard.

    Look at it this way: TFC has lost ROB and Cunningham for the rest of the season. If they have ANY hope of getting some results, they need to add a scorer. That means they need to either cut a SI or a YI and add a scorer in one of those positions. Just about any SI or YI that TFC has is someone that plays a key role for the team. Maybe Welsh was cut b/c he was poor value for his nationality and cap cost. But if the team is seeking to add someone, Welsh is the best choice to cut. Plus, it's been pretty obvious for a while that he's not good enough to start in MLS. Letting him go back to Europe now is decent of TFC.
  13. rocker

    rocker New Member

    Dec 15, 2006
    having watched all of Welsh's games, this is my scouting report:

    1) tries his hardest (did someone say hustles? ;)
    2) good at challenging guys and winning balls
    3) makes good runs that stretch the defense
    4) can't score even on the easiest chances
    5) can't cross a ball to save his life.... toronto journalists had some sort of pool every game to see how many times he'd make a great run down the wing and then foul up the cross

    he's got skills.. 90% of his game is good enough to satisfy an MLS team.. but it's that last 10% (the critical, finishing part) that is his downfall.
  14. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This guy didn't measure up.


  15. Azuran

    Azuran Member

    Nov 15, 2006
    Toronto, ON
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Good riddance. The last thing TFC need is overpaid players that are no doing anything on the field.
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    He wasn't fast enough for MLS. He has OK skills.

    He should do OK in Colaship.

    As long as he doesn't fall into one of the four thousand holes in Blackpool, Lancashire.
  17. RichardUK

    RichardUK Member

    Dec 14, 2006
    Nottingham, UK
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Here's the BBC article for those that like the BBC stamp of officiality.

    Hope has good stuff to say about MLS when he gets home, but probably won't since he became something of a 'boo boy'. We'll see. Good move for Toronto FC I say, but a move that won't really mean much until next season, but that doesn't matter.
  18. rocker

    rocker New Member

    Dec 15, 2006
    i thought he was pretty fast. he just has a funny running style (think drunken sailor) . his speed is what always got him those chances to cross after he blazed down the wing. his speed was in evidence at the end of the LA game when he sped past the defender and went in on goal... only to have no skill to get it past Cannon.
  19. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    This league makes the same mistakes the NASL overpays the wrong players.
  20. FCmagic01

    FCmagic01 Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    Welsh was an average player but why would TFC not just wait until the end of the year.....nobody expects them to make the play-offs this year. When they lost 2 key players for the rest of the year it looked even less likely.
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a Rovers fan, I must point out that the holes are in BlackBURN, not BlackPOOL.

    I'm pretty sure Blackpool isn't even in Lancashire.

    Carry on. :D
  22. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Blackpool is in Lancashire.
  23. Taoism

    Taoism Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    Winnipeg, MB, Canada
    TFC couldn't wait. The transfer window in Europe closed Aug 31 at midnight. If they didn't move Welsh and let him have the chance to play regular football, then they would have had to wait until the January transfer window at the earliest to move him back to Europe.

  24. virtute

    virtute New Member

    May 20, 2007
    N. California
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I thought he was speedy as well but he just didn't do what was expected of him at that price in MLS standards. Sorry to see him go, he gave 100% on the pitch every game.
  25. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He wouldn't fall in anyway, the holes are rather small.

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