Toronto and MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by JohnMac, Aug 5, 2002.

  1. JohnMac

    JohnMac New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Salinas, CA
    See attached link for good insight into the state of footie in Toronto and Canada. Varsity stadium, the only soccer stadium in Canada, is now under the wrecking ball and the much talked about Canadian 1st division is going no where.

    This does present an interesting set of circumstances for MLS, FIFA and Canadian Soccer. Right now they are so far away from a viable 1st division it doesn't really make sense to talk about it. They have 4 A League teams that are semi struggling and another four logos. Not a good start for a 1st division.

    What if, though, they take the market with the most potential (Toronto) outfit it with a replacement for Varsity (20k seats) and set either the Lynx up in the US based first division (MLS) or revive the Blizzard while allowing the other markets (Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary, Lynx) to continue to establish a foothold without the burden of a 1st divsion payroll?

    Oh yeah, the Canadian National Team hasn't played at home in a year and a half because they don't have a home. A 20k seat stadium in Toronto would help them tremedously.

    MLS is always looking for willing partners. They may find them in Toronto.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/story/10258138476074.shtml
     
  2. JaxxNate25

    JaxxNate25 New Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Jacksonville FL
    I would much rather drink my own urine that have a Canadian team in MLS...They can keep their money and stadium if they are offering. This is an American League and lets keep it that way.
     
  3. mitrita

    mitrita Member

    Aug 6, 2002
    NL
    I'm afraid that Canadian teams in MLS would
    violate FIFA regulations
     
  4. dcunited81

    dcunited81 Member

    Jul 18, 2001
    Green Bay, WI
    My thoughts exactly, I would offically stop supporting all MLS things if they have a team in Canada, besides, it's against FIFA regulations, so it wouldn't even happen. If Canada wants to become the 51st state, cool, but until then HELL NO to a Canadian MLS team!!
     
  5. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Wow. Is this the World rivalry forum? Why all the pointless jingoism?

    Har har. Riddle me this: why is it against FIFA rules for the US first division to have teams in Canada if it is not against FIFA rules for the Canadian first division to have teams in the US?
     
  6. Chowderhead

    Chowderhead Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    Central Falls, RI
    Nothing against Canada, man, because I wish them alll the best. But we need a Canadian team in MLS like we all need a dose of the clap. We have our own problems. We don't need Canada's.

    And one MLS team will not be a solution for Canada.
     
  7. JRedknapp11

    JRedknapp11 Red Card

    Dec 5, 2001
    tsacademy.net

    As does single entity....other then the rules of our league, I don't think Fifa officially recognizes us as league under their wings.
     
  8. The Incriminator

    The Incriminator New Member

    Jun 23, 1999
    Newark
    No Bore-onto

    Criminy!

    For all are like men on islands without women. Even hags for beautiful of yours minds!

    For the idea of Toronto is to trade Galaxy to MFL!
    Get brains all!
     
  9. Thunderpac

    Thunderpac Member

    Feb 16, 2000
    NE Minneapolis
    Don't be a jackass. FIFA does have a statute governing this. From article 58 of the FIFA Statutes:

    • A club domiciled on the territory of any one association shall not be permitted to play in competitions on the territory of another association on a regular basis. Exceptions to this ruling may be made by the Federation only if extraordinary circumstances (e.g. a transborder geographic region) justify such an exception and only if the two associations concerned have given their consent.

    In the past that has meant that a club in one country would not be permitted to play in a league in another country unless there was no suitable league in the club's home country. Obviously if the Canadian SA had a first division league within its jurisdiction it would not want to permit a Toronto-based team to play in MLS. There are Canadian teams in the USL only because the CSA, USSF, and FIFA have all consented to the arrangement.
     
  10. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Chill out guys!

    The talk of MLS in Toronto is nothing more than a stunt. There hasn't been talk of it in the Canadian media.

    Besdies, would the rest of Canada care if TO got a team? not likely.
     
  11. Benedict XVI

    Benedict XVI Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Ciudad del Encanto
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look, if the commisioner of MLS said they are looking at Toronto, I have to think that it's a possibility. No matter what FIFA regulations say.

    I don't see how it could do anything but help MLS.
     
  12. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Unless you want to be hosting another World Cup in the future, getting into a feud with FIFA won't help. Besides, your talking about a commisioner who is only interested in padding his bottom line. If that's the case, no one here is interested.

    Kepp your problems to yourself.
     
  13. Benedict XVI

    Benedict XVI Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Ciudad del Encanto
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think they would be getting in a fight with FIFA. I imagine they've already gotten a behind-the-scenes okay from FIFA to at least investigate the possibility.

    Hey, if you don't want a decent soccer league in Canada, bully for you. I don't think the commisioner is looking purely to 'pad his bottom line' because if he had been he probably would have stayed with the NFL. He's looking to grow the sport in the USA, and Canada can be a big part of that, and there can be a definite symbiotic relationship that will help both countries.

    Or not.

    Thankfully, it's not up to us goons on bigsoccer.com.
     
  14. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    FIFA is more than happy to go along with ANY scheme that brings football to anywhere. The Welsh play in the FA Cup, New Zealand has a team in the Australian league, and I would not be surprised to see a Canadian based team in MLS. I'm not saying it will happen, but I don't see a single anything other than economics (and all that that entails) from keeping it from happening.
     
  15. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    I wonder how Montreal would do? It seems that their A-League team has had some success, the Expos are on the move, and Montreal is more of a European style city anyway. Perhaps they could succeed there as the only summertime sporting team.
     
  16. Benedict XVI

    Benedict XVI Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Ciudad del Encanto
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    montreal is a great town and is definitely more european 'style' but i don't know if that really extends to soccer.

    plus, the people of quebec seem a bit brighter than average when it comes to publicly funding sports teams, so i don't see a SSS getting built.

    wonderful town, though.
     
  17. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Do your homework!

    The 3 Welsh clubs (Swansea, Cardiff, and Wrexham) are under the control of the English FA, not the Welsh FA. Football Kingz are under the control of Soccer Australia, not the NZFA. Any Canadian clubs would be under the control of the USSF. That is crossing the line for most.
     
  18. Benedict XVI

    Benedict XVI Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Ciudad del Encanto
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Homework this: FIFA will do whatever they can to make money, and if they think a Toronto MLS team - or 4 or 6 Canadian MLS teams - will line their pockets, they will bend every rule in the book to do so.

    Plus - do your homework - there is that nasty 'precedent', which goes a long way.
     
  19. pugetsoundmls

    pugetsoundmls New Member

    Oct 6, 2000
    Seattle
    I'm indifferent to the subject at hand. I'd just like to see Canadian soccer continue to improve in order to help strengthen the North American game in general. Whether that means Canadian teams in MLS or a Canadian League, whatever.

    The statute posted earlier seems to state if nations share a border, and both FAs agree on the details, a cross border league is no problem. I also agree that FIFA will do whatever necessary to improve the sport in one of its last great commercial soccer wastelands, Rio Grande North.

    I tend to think super leagues, whether in Europe or even North America, may be the wave of the future, especially once FAs and FIFA realize the money to be made under such circumstances.
     
  20. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If the MLS want's to help soccer in Canada, a working agreement will bear more fruit than having a franchise. A team here would only add to the problems of the MLS.
     
  21. Thunderpac

    Thunderpac Member

    Feb 16, 2000
    NE Minneapolis
    The Canadian clubs would not be under the control of the USSF. They would be CSA teams playing in the USSF-sanctioned division 1 league, MLS.

    As for FIFA doing whatever they want to make money, that's not quite how it works. FIFA is not a for-profit entity. A Toronto team playing in MLS would not necessarily make any money for FIFA. It is not a stated goal of FIFA to make money. Look at the "objects" section of the statutes document for more information.
     
  22. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Any agreement would have to have an MLS team in Canada under USSF control. Otherwise it would be in direct conflict with FIFA.
     
  23. JohnMac

    JohnMac New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Salinas, CA
    If FIFA believes this would help:

    1) The Canadian Nats by getting a proper stadium built in Toronto

    2) Kick start the process of establishing a Canandian pro league

    Then they are going to be open to what MLS is selling. FIFA is in the business of expanding soccer, especially international soccer.

    Whether either of these things are true is a different matter.
     
  24. microbrew

    microbrew New Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    NJ
    If having a Canadian team(s) in MLS strengthens top division soccer in the US and Canada, then it will happen sooner or later.

    The "extraordinary circumstances" are that the US and Canada almost share everything else. In sports, there's the USL, then the NHL, MLB and the NBA. If Canada doesn't bother to have it's own top-flight hockey league, what will make it likely that Canada will have it's own top-flight soccer league?

    I haven't seen any reason or even inclination for CSA, USSF, or FIFA to object. I only see MLS objecting, for the lack of a stadium and an owner/investor with deep pockets and commitment.
     
  25. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Yes, I could see the headlines now: "MLS objects to expansion city it chose!"
     

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