I know it's just too difficult to find the FK for Didi, Garrincha, Rivelino and Pele in Brazil huh? Unless you have a real good connection to those oldtimer in Brazil?
It is even difficult. My source are analyzes of old newspapers... and things only get easier starting in the 1970s. Before, aren't the good analyzes and the quality of the newspaper (digitally) is poor, making it difficult to read. I'm looking over Didi and have achieved good things. Until now found 4 FKs: Brazil 6-0 Paraguay - Oswaldo Cruz Cup 1962 Brazil 2-1 Chile - B. O'Higgins Cup 1961 Brazil 1-0 Peru - World Cup Qualifier 1957 Brazil 2x1 Portugal - Friendly 1957 Still not checked several matches and 5 goals. Already have listed Rivellino, Pele, Didi (now) and I'm also looking for other players. This week, I will open the thread with information on goals, assists, FK, PK, starting 11 with major players in history of Brazil NT. PS: Didi was a fantastic player. Even without directly participating in some goals in several matches, he was voted the best game in several analyzes. When not marked FKs, his goals were made from outside the penalty area, beautiful kicks. He must be a genius. Too bad there are few videos of his time.
Didi was 'under rated' by many (especially European fans) for they did not know how he played in Brazil, but his few years in Real madrid. Many considered as his 'failure' but it was unfair for him as the team were built around Di Stefano and he was forced to play as a CM/DM behind Di Stefano and it was not his forte' position/role Didi was a very first classic type #10 (that many greats resembled his style later in Rivelino, Valderama, Enzo, Laudrup, Zidane , Rui Costa, Riquelme, Veron ... and lately Xavi (08-12 not before) ... meaning the TEAM had to be dependent on his ball distribution!
Correct. In the analyzes, always highlighted its ability to give perfect passes, the class with the ball and ability to dominate the ''center circle''. He was the natural leader of the team. In 1957, he make fantastic matches together with Zizinho (at this end of career), as 4x2 Chile, 7x1 Ecuador and 9x0 Colombia in Copa America. Didi also shone against Uruguay (3-2 defeat). That year, also Didi scored the classification goal from Brazil to the World Cup (1x0 Peru)
Thanks. Months ago, I watch the two finals... still missing the match against France in 1958. But it's very little. There are other complete games, but obviously not in the same amount that the players of another generation. It's a shame, but can enjoy the Didi with what have.
In the first post, I reported that Zico scored 101 FK goals in his career. I relied on information from a friend and many articles/bios saying ''Zico scored +100 FKs, 17 in Udine, 69 in Fla''. So I decided to search on this site (Zico official) http://www.ziconarede.com.br/znrpub/variedade/cadgols/fichatec.php, I looked his professional career and I found 80FK goals. Why Zico's goals are overvalued by other sources? - Maybe contains amateurs goals, goals in festive games. - Maybe Zico doesn't have information about all goals. Anyway, it's the best I've done. I think Zico has really 80FK goals, or a little more. Apologizes for the wrong information. FLAMENGO 1971 – 1 FK goal 11/08 – Campeonato Brasileiro - Flamengo 1x1 Bahia 1972 - 0 1973 – 0 1974 – 6 FK goals 03/02 – Friendly – Flamengo 2x0 Goiatuba 17/02 – Friendly – Flamengo 5x1 Corinthians 0:49 01/09 – Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 1x2 Fluminense 09/10 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 5x1 Madureira 20/10 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 1x1 Vasco da Gama 08/12 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 2x1 América 0:16 1975 – 5 FK goals 02/02 – Friendly – Flamengo 4x2 Internacional 12/03 – Torneio de Goiás (unofficial tournament) – Flamengo 3x0 Sel. Goiás 09/07 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x0 Portuguesa-RJ 13/08 – Friendly – Flamengo 2x1 Treze 29/10 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 2x3 Tiradentes 1976 – 4 FK goals 20/01 – Friendly – Flamengo 2x0 Portela 07/03 – Friendly – Flamengo 4x1 Fluminense 30/09 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 4x0 Volta Redonda 0:21 24/11 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 5x1 Grêmio 1977 – 6 FK goals 27/04 - Campeonato Carioca - Flamengo 2x0 Madureira 07/05 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x0 Goytacaz 29/05 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 5x1 Campo Grande 24/08 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x0 Americano 11/09 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x1 América 16/10 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 5x0 Vitória 1978 – 3FK goals 06/09 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 5x0 Campo Grande 1:10 11/11 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 9x0 Portuguesa-RJ 0:53 22/11 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 2x0 São Cristovão 1979 – 3FK goals 11/02 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 4x0 América 25/08 – Ramón de Carranza (unofficial tournament) – Flamengo 2x1 Barcelona 02/12 – Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 4x0 São Bento http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGgYODRhFc4 0:23 1980 – 3FK goals 13/04 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 6x2 Palmeiras http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZruVKt6nk 0:28 10/09 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 7x1 Niterói 12/10 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 1x1 Botafogo 1981 – 5FK goals 21/06 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 5x2 Campo Grande 14/07 - Copa Libertadores – Flamengo 5x2 Cerro Porteño http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3y6bJLm-Y 07/10 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 4x0 Olaria 23/10 - Copa Libertadores – Flamengo 3x0 Deportivo Cali http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Wv3ekEuUQ 1:00 23/11 - Copa Libertadores – Flamengo 2x0 Cobreloa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX4yc-1axcY 1982 – 1FK goal 18/08 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x1 Volta Redonda 1983 – 2FK goals 30/01 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 1x1 Moto Club http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUH5ClJBPqk 17/04 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 5x1 Corinthians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69VrIzfWnIc 0:24 1985 – 2FK goals 12/07 – Friendly - Flamengo 3x1 Zico’s Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFWLWIJaFo 14/07 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 3x0 Bahia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXDZwEBdkrI 0:11 1986 – 1FK goal 16/02 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 4x1 Fluminense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH7Z3msqDMA 0:59 1987 – 0 1988 – 0 1989 – 2FK goals 07/05 - Campeonato Carioca – Flamengo 3x3 Botafogo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6_g-rqYg0 0:58 02/12 - Campeonato Brasileiro – Flamengo 5x0 Fluminense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm1Ci_K3SZw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6V2hvHU4tE UDINESE 1983/1984 – 7FK goals 05/08/1983 – Friendly – Udinese 2x1 Real Madrid 12/09/1983 – Série A – Udinese 5x0 Genoa 18/09/1983 – Série A – Udinese 3x1 Catania 25/09/1983 – Série A – Udinese 1x2 Avellino 22/01/1984 – Série A – Udinese 2x0 Catania 29/01/1984 – Série A – Udinese 2x1 Avellino 19/02/1984 - Série A – Udinese 3x1 Fiorentina 1984/1985 – 7FK goals May – Friendly – Udinese 3x2 FC Luzern Unknown Date – Friendly – Udinese 5x0 Friuli (Italy) 29/08/1984 – Coppa Italia – Udinese 2x1 Lecce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzGGeD5bSeo 0:19 09/09/1984 - Coppa Italia – Udinese 3x3 Sampdoria 31/03/1985 – Série A – Udinese 2x1 Internazionale 14/04/1985 – Série A - Udinese 2x3 Juventus Unknown Date - Friendly - Udinese 11x1 Maniago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUYn0iICsQ JAPAN 1991 - 7FK goals 26/07 - Friendly - Sumitomo Metals 2x1 Yamaha 31/07 - Friendly - Sumitomo Metals 4x4 Ana Zenic 14/09 - Japan League 2º Div - Sumitomo Metals 1x0 Tokyo Gaz 18/09 - Friendly - Sumitomo Metals 2x3 Totita 16/10 - Japan League 2º Div - Sumitomo Metals 2x0 NTT Kanto 27/10 - Japan League 2º Div - Sumitomo Metals 4x1 Cosmo Oil 09/11 - Friendly - Sumitomo Metals 5x4 Nippon University 1992 - 4FK goals 19/01 - Japan League 2º Div - Sumitomo 4x0 Yomiuri Júnior 08/02 - Japan League 2º Div – Sumitomo 5x0 Totita 23/09 - J. League Cup - Kashima Antlers 3x4 Yokohama Marinos 03/10 - J. League Cup - Kashima Antlers 7x1 Nagoya Grampus Eight 1993 - 2FK goals 16/05 - J. League - Kashima Antlers 5x0 Nagoya Grampus Eight 27/11 - J. League - Kashima Antlers 1x0 Sanfrecce Hiroshima 1994 - 2FK goals 01/06 - J. League - Kashima Antlers 3x1 Gamba Osaka 11/06 - J. League - Kashima Antlers 4x0 Bellmare Hiratsuka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djhzYYaQrs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaRtDl2jYOA BRASIL 25/02/ 1976 Brasil 2x1 Uruguay - Copa Rio Branco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUzn1dvbcU 27/02/1976 Brasil 2x1 Argentina - Copa Roca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF6JMjXfv6Y 23/06/1977 Brasil 2x0 Scotland - Friendly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrAHQzQmVmA 14/07/1977 Brasil 8x0 Bolivia - World Cup Qualifier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyjt_hkc17o 12/03/1978 Brasil 7x0 Sel. Carioca - Unofficial Friendly 22/03/1981 Brasil 3x1 Bolivia - World Cup Qualifier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDNI4mmjzg 18/06/1982 Brasil 4x1 Scotland - World Cup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1KHREnqZ7Y - 44 Flamengo - 11 Campeonato Brasileiro - 21 Campeonato Carioca - 3 Copa Libertadores - 9 Friendlies 14 Udinese - 8 Série A - 4 Friendlies - 2 Coppa Italia 15 Japan - 4 Friendlies - 5 Japan League 2º Div - 2 J. League Cup - 4 J. League 7 Brasil 80 FK GOALS - Other sources: - http://www.futebol80.com.br/links/times/flamengo/flamengojg.htm - http://www.futebol80.com.br/links/artilheiros/zico.htm
Lucas, thanks for great effort ... At the end, can you post a summary of TOP10 (not by your ratings, but just by number ) i.e. Zico 81 Juninho Per. 76 ... Beckahm 56 ...
According to puckvanheel gazzetta della sport credits maradona with 14 serie a free kick goals. In the other thread vegan10 posted all maradona serie a free kicks, 16 of them. I can see the reason for the difference, two of the 16 seemed to be deflected on their way in, suggesting gazzetta della sport took them away from maradona (like the modern "dubious goals panel") Is there official word on who these goals belong to? Or an official criteria to decide? One of them ( against ac milan 84 85) was on target before deflecting off a defender, my understanding is a shot on target deflected in off a defender belongs to the stiker. The other against torino 85 86 seemed to take a deflection off possibly his own teammate but it's difficult to clarify, if it did then as I understand the goal would today be awarded to his teammate. But what were the rules on this (if there were any) back in the 80s?
One of those goals was credited to him (Torino game) while the other one was given as an own goal. That was common in Italian football at that time, any deflection was not awarded to the shooter, but for some reason the Torino one was. In Argentinian and Spanish football this was not the case and deflections were indeed credited to the shooter.
Another reason might be that Gazzetta only counted direct free kicks; so the famous one vs Juventus (in 1985 IIRC) does not count, where Maradona scores a free kick inside the penalty area. That was an indirect free kick, a team-mate laid it off for him. Probably also the direct goal from a corner-kick (the Olympic goal) isn't counted.
very well remark, PUCK I always felt AMAZED when I review that goal. If one (ever) play football, he would know scoring a FK at 35+ m is difficult, then score a FK with only 10-12m away from GK/DF is like MISSION IMPOSSIBLE
The new information in this thread contradicts the perception that zico was far better than anyone else. Maradona and juninho both seem to be close to him. With the information here it's interesting to compare the numbers in specific competitions In league competition, including j league, zico apparently, has 44 goals Maradona by my calculation, post argentinos juniors has in league competitions 24 goals, and has estimated about 20 free kicks at argentinos juniors. As there were no cup competitions, presumably a large % of that estimated 20 were in league competition, which infers a similar number overall to zicos 44. I'm not sure these stats offer a conclusive answer over who is better at free kicks
the NUMBER (of FK) is NOT the ultimate evidence to prove who is better but surely an important proof for one's greatness. For me there are few categories in or der of importance to rate a good FW taker: 1- Number of FK success per attempts (if possible, otherwise FK per game is OK) - 35% 2- Variety in position and distance that those FK were made (successful) - 25% 3- Techniques of kicking the FK (side bending, placing precision, "fallen leaf" or top spin , power of shooting ...) - 25% 4- Last and not least FK in big games or against TOP teams - 15%
update JUNINHO PERNAMBUCANO 75 on my video +4 FK goals - 20/6/1996 - Vasco 1x0 América - Campeonato Carioca - NO VIDEO; SOURCE: JORNAL O GLOBO, 21/06/1996 - 20/6/1997 - Vasco 3x1 Peñarol - Supercopa da Libertadores - NO VIDEO; SOURCE: JORNAL O GLOBO, 21/06/1997 - 17/1/1999 - Vasco 5x1 Olaria - Friendly 0:09 - 27/07/2013 - Vasco 3x1 Criciúma - Campeonato Brasileiro now, 79FK goals
I wanted to do this, but I intend to have the complete list of 20/30 FK 'specialists' to be more fair. And it is a difficult job. There are many players that I have not found information yet.
update MARCELINHO CARIOCA all FK goals in Flamengo (before I had found only 6) 1) 20/02/1991 - Flamengo 1x1 Corinthians - Copa Libertadores 2) 23/06/1992 - Flamengo 2x1 Fluminense - Campeonato Carioca 3) 29/06/1992 - Flamengo 2x0 Vasco - Campeonato Carioca 4) 28/11/1992 - Flamengo 4x0 América-TR - Campeonato Carioca 5) 06/12/1992 - Flamengo 1x1 Vasco - Campeonato Carioca 6) 29/09/1993 - Flamengo 3x0 Internacional - Campeonato Brasileiro 7) 09/10/1993 - Flamengo 1x1 Bahia - Campeonato Brasileiro 8) 01/12/1993 - Flamengo 2x2 Corinthians - Campeonato Brasileiro 78 goals + 2 new = 80FK goals Now miss find out: 1 goal Valencia 7 goals Gamba Osaka 5 goals Al-Nasr