According to some new sources Juninho Pernambucano - 77 Pele - 70 Ronaldinho - 66 Victor Legrotaglie - 66 David Beckham - 65 Diego Maradona - 62 Zico - 62 Ronald Koeman - 60 Rogerio Ceni - 59 Marcelinho Carioca - 59 Cristiano Ronaldo - 53 Lionel Messi - 44
Is the source squawka.com (link below)? Do you know where their information came from? Legrotaglie seems to be a new name. https://www.squawka.com/en/news/10-...onel-messi-so-far/1058608#sCgqYF84bzJ7ErS1.97
Pele with 70(in official or friendly games)? There is data for zico scoring 100-110 free kicks in his career so he leads by a considerable margin A FK 20-25 yards from goal was like a penalty for zico https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/the18.com/soccer-videos/zico-free-kicks-astounding-accuracy?amp From distance up to 50 yards than Juninho was better with mihajlovic following behind closely Vegan collected data for 73 free kicks for Diego maradona https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/platini-va-maradons-vs-zico.1702664/page-4 CRonaldo had 60 FKs as of now with the video footage to prove aswell
Yes and this as well https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news...o-ronaldo-ahead-of-fc-barcelona-s-lion/293138 I don't know where did they get Pele's stats from. Bigsoccer maybe? Lol As for Cristiano he scored 53 excluding friendlies according to Michelacosta
Lot of sources claim he has scored 52-55 direct free kicks for club and country. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...Barcelona-Juventus-Real-Madrid-free-kicks/amp https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2018/09/20/5ba2969c268e3e35188b45ad.html Two of those goals in that video are indirect free kicks and there might've been some friendlies involved
He just scored another one He'll probably end his career with 65-70 free kicks if he keeps scoring like this
Sinisa Mihajlovic is a free kick specialist galore. I can't find his total career numbers but he has 43 free kicks goals just with Lazio.
I read "all" and not "a lot". Messi is 31 almost 32. Depends how long he plays. But averaging 6 in a season is hard. I don't think he keeps that up. If he plays for 3 more seasons ... that's 18. Would put him just over 60.
Before 2014 I don’t think Messi had more than 10 direct FKs in his career From all the FK specialists he has too be an anomaly in that he became WC in set pieces much later Compared to CR at 25 years old(2010) had 20-25 direct FKs From 2014 till now probably only 5-6(maybe only 3 without a deflection lol)
Add another one today against villarreal For the past 2 or so seasons messi has been as good as any FK specialist ive ever watched Wouldnt it be amazing if a player who had scored barely 10 FKs in his career at 26 years old went on to become a top 5-10 set piece specialist(with potentially 60-70 Fks if he continues at this current rate) His accuracy from just outside the box is becoming zicoesque
Veo que muchos sacan al mejor tirador por % de efectividad por juego y no es así, ya que en algunos partidos puedes no tener ni un tiro libre y en otros puedes tener bastantes y en este caso los cuentan por igual. Otro error que he visto es por ejemplo con Juninho Pernambucano que sacan que metió un 44% de efectividad porque metió de sus 100 goles con el Lyon "44" de tiro libre; ¿Pero en ese caso todos los delanteros serían pesimos porque su % de efectividad en cuanto sus goles de tiro libre seria mucho más bajo? La Verdad es que para saber quien era mejor en base al % o eficacia tendría que ser de acuerdo a la cantidad de tiros libres que tiró y los que fueron gol, por o que es praticamente imposible saberlo de futbolistas como Zico o Maradona, así que simplemente hay que elaborar una lista con medidas cuantificables: es decir la cantidad total y tratar de ser imparcial para todos los presentes en ella con los mismos criterios que en un siguiente mensaje expondré.
Los goles de tiro libre indirecto e incluso los goles olimpicos y con selecciones nacionales juveniles en torneos oficiales (sudamericano Sub-20, Europeo Sub 21, etc) se cuentan por ejemplo con Maradona y en ese caso Ronaldinho tendría 63 goles de tiro libre directo más 2 indirectos más un gol olimpico con Flamengo =66. David Beckham tendría 54 tiro libre directo más 2 indirectos más un gol olimpico = 57 y Juninho pernambucano tendría 70 de tiro libre directo más 7 de tiro libre indirecto =77. Entonces hay que ser parejos con todos los futbolistas en cuanto si les quitamos los indirectos o goles olimpicos o se los contamos; lo mismo con las selecciones juveniles si se los cuentan o se los quitan para poder hacer una lista que sea pareja para todos: inclusive se puede hacer una con unicamente los goles de tiro libre directo y otra contando indirecto y balón parado. Nota: En ningún caso hay que sumar los goles en partidos no oficiales de clubes, porque estos no cuentan y son completamente arbitrarios, ni el Joan gamper, ICC, Copa Audi, "Player" And Friends vs League´s Stars, etc. porque no siguen las reglas oficiales y son de exhibición, me parece bien que no se cuenten en una lista que vi por ejemplo los de Zico, y así el ranking ya queda mejor hecho, pero hay que ser parejos porque vi que a Cr7 le querían poner más de 60 cuando tiene 53 de tiro libre directo más 2 de tiro libre indirecto. Hay que empezar a hacer una buena cultura de información y no desinformemos porque este blog recauda datos muy valiosos que es muy dificil encontrar en otros lados: En cuanto pones mejores cobradores de tiros libres siempre sale que Zico hizo 101, y aquí en varios años de trabajo por parte de ustedes se ha descubierto que 39 son en amistososy así espero que los medios de cominicación se informen más porque hasta el diario "Marca" dio constancia de que Zico hizo 101, y en esa misma nota no le cuenta a otros los goles en partidos amistosos por poner un ejemplo Messi hizo uno en el Joan Gamper y no se lo contó. Bueno solo era algo que quería comentar sobre lo valioso de este foro.
I agree. Calculating conversion rate based on FK scored per game is completely illogical as one can play many games not attempting a single free kick and vice versa. These are weird rules made by James Btw make posts in English
If I thought about writing in English because I noticed that the vast majority do it in English, but since I do not know the language, I thought that the translator would not literally translate what I'm trying to say (although I suppose you would translate it in the same way through the translator) what you're right and I'll start publishing in English. Well I'll get to the point in the following post.
About Maradona what I researched is the following: Argentinos Juniors: FK=20 Barcelona: FK=5. Napoli: FK=25. IFK=1. OG= 1. Sevilla: FK=1. Argentina U-20: FK=1. IFK=2. Argentina NT: FK=4. Carrer Total: FK=61. IFK=3 OG=1. Symbology: FK= Free Kick IFK=Indirect Free Kick. OG= Olimpic Goal. Note: With El Napoli are the 14 goals of the series plus one vs Milan that is officially the own goal but that is clearly his goal and as other members of the list are also credited with goals like that (which hit the barrier) too I tell him. More 10 goals in Coppa Italia and not 11, since one goal vs Fiorentina is in open play.
About Zico I have reviewed and discovered the following: Flamengo: FK= 35. OG=1. Udinese: FK= 9. IFK= 1. Kashima Antlers: FK= 11. Brasil NT: FK= 6. Carrer Total: FK=61. IFK=1. OG=1. Symbology: FK= Free Kick IFK=Indirect Free Kick. OG= Olimpic Goal. Note: The indirect goal with Udinese is VS Avellino in the defeat by 1-2 of 1983; This was the only one I could find in this way of all the videos I saw. The free kick goal VS The Carioca team does not count on Brazil because this is an unofficial friendly team and had already explained that this type of unofficial matches was not going to count since it is not part of the 48 goals if they are worth with Brazil. And finally the Olympic goal is VS Portuguesa in the state tournament of 1983; in a note he mentions that he put two in his entire career in this way but I have not been able to find the other so for the moment I only have proof of this Olympic goal. https://andrerocha.blogosfera.uol.c...-zico-tevez-as-historias-do-fla-na-nova-casa/
Messi with another one. I think the wall placement wasn't good but still, from that distance he hit the top 90. Incredible. Another one for the count. And a big one too.