Give me your top 10 club sides I would like to compile a ratings system for the club teams in the region as others have done for the national sides in this forum. 1.Pumas (Mex) 2.Chivas (Mex) 3.LDA (CRC) 4.LA Galaxy (USA) 5.Sparissa CRC) 6.Olimpia (Hon) 7.Willians Connection(T&T) 8.CD FAS (ELS) 9.Municipal (Gua) 10.Kansas City Wizards(USA) Honorable mention: Communicasciones (Gua), CD Aguila (ELS)
1. Pums 2. Chivas 3. Saprissa 4. Alajuelensue 5. Municipal 6. Communicaciones 7. LA Galaxy 8. Olimpia 9. F.A.S. 10. Connection
1 U.N.A.M. 2 Guadalajara 3 Jaguares 4 América 5 Toluca 6 Atlante 7 Atlas 8 Saprissa 9 Alajuelensue 10 Cruz Azul
what? Morelia and Pachuca get no love? I like the way they have been reinforcing their teams. They have been great teams for the past couple years... i think the past season was just a regruoping phase... I would also include Tigres
What are your conditions and requirements, just national titles or in general. And are you basing your list on last years standings in their respective leagues, or prediction for next season based on their new acquisitions.
I think this list makes more sense than the previous 2 lists. However, perhaps its my bias, but i would put Cruz Azul much higher. Remember that in last years finals, Cruz Azul was the wild card and thus had to win every much and not settle for draws by higher seeds. and they did defeat Pachuca defending champion and Chiapas (super lider) and outplayed UNAM, but that keeper will continue to be in my nightmares til next season. I would bring America down, they seemed to have self destructed at the end, and I would raise Saprissa a little higher. But as far as the teams you have selected, i think they are very fair, might include the top MLS team. The league may not be the strongest but the teams can compete.
If you go by FIFA...season,Copa libertadores,concacaf champs cup 1.america 2.Pumas 3.chivas 4.toluca 5.santos 6.cruz azul 7.atlante 8.atlas 9.Pachuca 10.Jaguares
Actually, It was just based on opinion but I have created a formula that I think is pretty fair and and even reguardless of league and country affiliation. Take a look, also if anyone has a list of all the league tables from 2003-2004 or just a place I can find them please send the info along I will work out the math for all the teams in as many leagues as I can find and republish a list. 1. current league form rated by: position in standings points per game percentage 2. international record 3. goal differential here is how it breaks down position in standings(POS): 1st place:50pts top 3: 45pts points per game percentage(PPGP) 3.0 : 50 pts. 2.9-2.7: 45 pts. 2.6-2.4 : 40pts. 2.3-2.1 : 35pts. 2.0 : 30pts. international record(IR) 3pts win 1pt draw Goal Differential(GD) (POS)+(PPGP)+(IR)+(GD)=Rating
Here is an example I will use the Galaxy just for an example: 1st in league:50pts PPGP: 18 games 31points=1.72(PPGP) 0pts. International record:1 loss 1 draw= 1pt. Goal Differential:+7 59pts total
1)America 2)Guadalajara 3)Cruz Azul 4)Pumas 5)Toluca 6)Necaxa 7)Rayados 8)Galaxy 9)Olimpia 10)Saprissa
I would rather that the Champions Cup go back to 16 teams (now that the Fifa World Club Championship will be back on) and decide it that way. Maybe time to revive that old forum idea: the MLS-MFL "challenge cup" where the 10 (now 12) MLS teams play 10 (12) Mexican teams in friendlies. BTW, united_fan_72, you do know that "points per game percentage (PPGP) 3.0 : 50 pts." is utterly impossible.
You just made a new friend... W.Connection all the way... they are a great team and the most professional outfit in the Caribbean... the Pro-League has been around for 4 years and they have 3 titles 1 second... they have a GREAT youth team... they just won the Under-20 Championship and have some class players there... the problem w/ Connection is that they cannot afford big salaries so they lose players like Dwarika, who if he played for them would imo be one of the best players in competition for Concacaf club teams..
Its a noble idea but all academic if u have not seen all the teams play and its clear u havenot seen ALL of the teams play... as much as I like Connection we might be 10th, but i feel safer saying top 15 and certainly not 7th best club... u have not seen them play i know that much cuz 1. their games are not televised outside of T&T and no one, not the media, not the players, no one, calls them anything but W. Connection... but like I said, a nice idea... I have not seen most of the teams in concacaf play but i know that our Pro-League is only 4 years old and not that commercially successful so our standard is not as good as say, Mexico or even the MLS although the MLS teams are better only in fitness... (no one in America can dribble, or shoot first time for that matter)
lets be realistic here: 1. Pumas 2. Guadalajara 3. America 4. Cruz Azul 5 Jaguares 6 Toluca 7. Necaxa 8. Morelia 9. Pachuca 10. Atlas . . . . . . . . . . . the rest.
I was going for the unattaineable for that rating but I am going to ammend it because I was thinking that this rating system, though slightly ammended would make a great rating system for use on FIFA CONCACAF, when the leagues get started again in central american and the carribean.
I would love to see the Champions Cup take on the format used by the Champions League with 32 teams from all over the region (a lot more carribean representation). Just think how huge it wolud be for a small island nation for like say Haiti to have a team like the Galaxy or Toluca playing in their country for a match. Yes, I relize that most of those sides would be quickly elminated and may water down the tournament to a certain extent. But would could be gained by having more nations involved, would far surpass the disadvantages. In my opinion.
While I like the idea of 32 teams, your statement about it being "huge" for "small Island nations" to have good teams come and play there is really not appropriate. 1 - Club football between the top teams in the leagues does not really draw huge crowds through-out most of the caribbean, you add a foreign team u might get just a few more fans showing interest. 2 - No one in the Caribbean follows the Mexican league, I mean no one! Very, very few can name 5 MLS teams and we "small island people" would certainly not be in awe of those teams - we would be too ignorant to know how good they are... Like I said, the idea is noble but the Champions cup should not have as many entrants as the UCL because look at how many leagues there are in Europe compared to Concacaf, In Europe traditionally you still have some parity with winners or the better performances coming from Spanish, Italian, German and English Clubs but in the Concacaf it would be dominance by 2 leagues (at best), just like it is now - no need to allow more teams in yet... when the current teams that are getting in from outside Mexico start doing better then we can consider expanding the number of teams.
I always thought it was quite the oposite in the carribean in terms of what knowledge the fans had about the foriegn clubs, every one I have ever talked to from that zone were very, very knowlegable about football from all over the region. I am sill convinced that the tournament would be a far bit better if there was a more "fair" distrubution of teams. It seems to be an all UNCAF and and North American tournament. Understandably since every champions cup winner in recent times has come out of the region. I still would like to see alot more teams in the tournament if for nothing else, but to have a bit more diversity
Many if not all of the caribbean teams cant afford to travel to Canada one week, USA the next and Costa RIca next. The richest leagues wont give them any money. Mexican teams hardly want to play the tournament, USA teams are in pre season form and say the Costarican or Guatemalan federations dont have any spare money. - where will the caribbean countries get financed? In an ideal world it would be nice to have all teams involved in equal terms, to go to the Caribbean and play in a full stadium but its not the case. In COsta Rica i dont think many people would be interested in watching a game against the domestic champion of Jamaica/Barbados/T&T, etc. and im not too sure about people in Jamaica/Barbados/T&T, etc. filling up an stadium for a match against Saprissa. Concacaf is a huuge confederation, there are many games to be played, domestic league-wc qualifiers-etc. etc. Lets make things simplier and not have sooo many matches. Back to the "top concacaf teams" - Saprissa will have to be included in the top 10. They nearly went undefeated in the Apertura, only losing in the last game when none of the starters played. They had a huge lead on the accumulative points from both tournaments, they won the championship and reached the champions cup final. Alajuela im sorry to say had an off year in the domestic league.. finishing 3rd.. around 20 pts or more behind Saprissa.. they are on their way up though.. it was clear at the end of the season when they won the Champions Cup.
Couple of things to add w/ some of the FC Club Rankings. First, America can't be ahead of Toluca. The Diablos Rojos have dominated the Aguilas lately. Remember that 6-0 pasting in the Apertura??? Oh yeah, I forgot the empty Estadio Azteca, when Toluca stopped CA. Second, How can you add the Cremas from Guatelmala??? I think Coban should be ranked higher than those clowns. Also, I think the SJ Earthquakes should get a lil' love as well.
thats still irrelevant... Toluca is not what it used to be. With aging players and not enough work at the youth level, Toluca will go on a dry spell. THey have done nothing at the international level (if you want to count the TFC cup). Toluca has been good since 1998, and funny how Toluca has failed to qualify for a Copa Libertadores...