Lets see some lists of all around most valuable players... 1) Ronaldinho 2) Cristiano Ronaldo 3) Steven Gerrard 4) Kaka 5) Wayne Rooney 6) Lionel Messi 7) Thierry Henry 8) Michael Essien
i'm suprised to see no defenders, 1. Jamie Carragher 2. Steven Gerrard 3. Kaka 4. Petr Cech 5. Samuel Eto'o 6. Ronaldinho 7. Paul Scholes 8. Cesc Fabregas
1) Cesc Fabregas 2) Lionel Messi 3) Kaka 4) Ronaldinho 5) C. Ronaldo 6) Wayne Rooney 7) Petr Cech 8) John Terry
I assume he's talking about a monetary value. If so, Ronaldinho far surpasses any in football at the moment. His price tag is higher because: A.) He's the most talented footballer on the planet and B.) Ronaldinho is now the most popular footballer on the planet. Therefore, from a business and sporting perspective, no one can touch Ronaldinho atm.
Surely a younger talent like a Ronaldo or Kaka would command a higher transfer fee and be more valuable in terms of business?
I wouldn't say that. Ronaldinho still only 27 and is far more recognizable worldwide than Kaka' and C. Ronaldo. It's no coincidence that most of the record transfers (Zidane, Figo, Sheva, etc.) were around Ronaldinho's age now or older. Because by the ages of 27-30 the best players have established themselves as world superstars. Therefore, they would have a huge following worldwide and sell many jerseys. Also, most big clubs(Milan, Barca, Real, etc.) first priority is for winning now. They are willing to spend on a player who can only help them in the short term. They don't need to develop talent like smaller clubs. I'm confident if Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, and Kaka' all went on the market this summer Ronaldinho would easily get the highest fee. With Ronaldinho shirt sales alone that club can recoup what they paid for him in a year or two(see Beckham, David). Kaka' and C. Ronaldo are certainly now world stars but they still have a ways to go to catch Ronaldinho.
I disagree. Most of the talk regarding Ronaldo involved a world record transfer fee because of his current performances, current age and clear potential to improve. You do not get that with Ronaldinho. He is in his prime and the only way for him to go is down. I am not doubting his ability to generate a large fee or merchandising sales but I do doubt that the figure would be higher than that for Ronaldo.
Well, tell that to Berlusconi who is willing to smash the world record transfer fee on Ronaldinho this summer or next. He has said publicly he's willing to pay Barca over $135M for Ronaldinho should they decide to sell him. And the reason he's willing to spend so much is because he knows Ronaldinho would be media and business boom to Milan. Hell, Ronaldo(the real one ) was a huge commercial success for Milan this Janaury and he is certainly on the downside of his career. I can't imagine what Ronaldinho would do for the Milan brand. Now Cristiano Ronaldo would also be a success(commercially) but nowhere near Ronaldinho. Most of Ronaldo's popularity is concentrated in Britain. He still hasn't made his name internationally yet. He needs a breakout tournament or performance for Portugal in Euro 2008/WC 2010 or he needs to perform better for ManU in the CL. Ronaldinho has already done this with Brazil in 2002 and Barca 2006. Plus, we can't ignore the fact that Ronaldinho is a better footballer than Ronaldo. Ronaldo might one day match Ronaldinho but at this point Ronaldinho is better in all facets of the game.
I think Cristiano Ronaldo is more comprable to Leonel Messi in terms of value. Both are supremely talented footballers who'd fetch alot of money on the market. But they still aren't the finished article yet in terms of football and commercially.
That figure was the amount Berlusconi had set aside for Ronaldinho's transfer fee and wages, which puts the actual transfer fee at around £40 million (approx. $80 million). The transfer fee Real Madrid said they would pay for Ronaldo was £54 million (approx. $108 million). Of course, this is if we believe what we read in the media. Ronaldo is a key player for club and country, winning personal awards and league titles to boot. He has also played roughly 4x the amount of games Messi has in his career to date. While Messi is a great talent with a lot of potential, he has not yet played a full season of football and been a key player throughout.
For monetary value, Kaka, Cronaldo, Messi would fetch the biggest fees in my mind, right there with Ronnie.
You have no idea about anything, do you? Carragher is old and so is Scholes. My list would be: 1. Ronaldo 2. Kaka 3. Ronaldinho 4. Messi 5. Fabregas 6. Rooney 7. Torres 8. Gerrard Why top eight?
How badly does Kaka have to put perform Cronaldo on the biggest stage to be ahead of him? Oh right blinkered United fans
I think there are players that are more valuable to their own club than they would be anywhere else. No matter how much a Gerrard or Henry could be sold for, it's doubtful that the club would really get the same value in return. Perhaps these types of players wouldn't fetch the highest transfer fee, but they are of extraordinary value to their current club. Another example could be Raul. I doubt that Madrid would sell him for any price. And Totti hasa to be of that value to Roma.
And looking at your list, Cronaldo is older than Messi by the same amount of years as Kaka to Cronaldo. ROnaldinho is also older than Messi, Rooney and Fabregas, and Torres. It's simple.
Like I said i think Cronaldo, Messi, Kaka, with ROnnie can all make a strong case for being the number 1 with all those factors. I just think kaka and Ronnie happen to be the two best players on this list, and Ronnie certainly destroys the rest with his global appeal marketing ability. Messi is by far the youngest and not far off from playing in the same mention as the others. Cronaldo seems to be int he middle for everything(age, appeal, quality), and after his first great season, well I wouldnt be so quick to put him on top.
Messi number one on global appeal? Few even know him. Kaka and Ronaldo are about even. Ronaldinho far out in front. Ronaldinho is much older than most. Not far off, maybe. But he isn't. Real Madrid would and I think that is what matters.
1.Ronaldinho is still in his prime, not past it. If you're going to base it on the silly argument that Cronaldo will naturally improve past kaka and Ronnie because he is younger, than look to Messi. Or look at the ages of the attacking players with the recors transfer fees. Zidane-29 Figo-28 Crespo-25 Vieiri-26 Mendieta-27 Ronaldo-26 costa-28 nedved-28 Most of them who fetched the highest fees were in the prime years category(more closer to Ronaldinho's age than anyone else's). 2.Few know Messi? That's a silly argument he played at the World Cup, plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world, and scored what is beging called one of the best goals in a long long time. My friends who are only casual fans in America, know who all 4 players are ann talk with much more enthusiasm towards Messi than Cronaldo, as he is the easy choice for most hated player over here. Global appeal..... 3.Real Madrid were linked last summer with wanting Robben, Kaka, and Fabregas, who cares? They know they cannot have Ronaldinho, couldnt get those players, and have moved on to looking at Cronaldo? Which of course is all just hear-say. And makes for crap arguments. Again the only solid evidence that leads you to putting Cronaldo number 1 is your club affiliation.
I really can't be arsed with replying to this pointless argument any longer. You've just attacked me for putting Ronaldo first in this list whilst being a United fan whilst a Liverpool fan has put ridiculously put Carragher first and not so ridiculously Gerrard second. You obviously have your priorities sorted. All of the players that I mentioned are young (minus Gerrard and Ronaldinho) and very talented. I didn't bother thinking much about the ordering as it was more about the players I was mentioning than that. You could shift them around and I wouldn't particularly care. I decided to defend my ordering two very short, quick replies. Replying in any more depth is absolutely pointless. There would be very little difference in price between any of these players. The stupidest thing is that my top four contained exactly the same players as yours yet you still attack me. You're a very sad, little man.
Again, called out, out-argued, submit.....That seems to be your thing. You say Cronaldo is ahead of kaka and Ronnie because of youth, but Messi is younger and behind, and a host of players younger are also behind, you contradict yourseld to no end, because you just cannot admit your whole agenda is clouded with bias. The Carragher point was so ludicrous why bother, and someone already did. I present factual evidence that attacking players usually go for the highest fees in and around their prime ages(already know what you are getting and at the height of marketability), better evidence than you have posted here, and what do you do? Don't even respond to it, why would you? It hurts your argument severely, and anytime you are being outwitted in these threads you do what you do best, tuck tail and run. Maybe you will finally respond to the Chelsea regularly play 4 defenders and 3 DMids claim, probably not.