Top 5 individual performance in CL history

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  1. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    Cruyff's 77/78 UC campaign is so underrated, class in every single game

    1/8 1st leg
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    comeback in the 2nd leg( clutch Cruyff)
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    semi-finals 1st leg
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    Almost comeback in the 2nd leg( 2 penalty won and 1 non opta assist by Cruyff)
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    2 goals in 1/32
    1 assist in 1/16
    1 goal complete performance against aston villa in the quarter finals
    the best player of UEFA cup imo
    Believe me or not he was a sweeper in the 77/78 season
     
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  2. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    we have eyes brother he was disappointing in big games for most of his Barcelona career
     
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  3. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    unreasonable hatred statement, his 74/75 EC, 76/77 UC and 77/78 UC campaigns were class. if you do think Feyenoord 74/75, Atletic Bilbao 76/77, Ipswich Town 77/78( they dominated in the first leg so its a big game) Aston villa 77/78, PSV 77/78 are not big games ( i didn't even mention domestic games) so im arguing with a wall
    you are so blinded by hate, grow up
     
  4. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    bro is there any standart for a supposed top 5 player of all time? every world class player had at least one or two good performances in every season. He stunk up in both game against Leeds which matters the most how can that considered class?
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #130 PuckVanHeel, Jun 18, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2024
    You can see it reflected on DBScalcio for example. Of course he has the number one behind his name for 1974-75 and 1975-76 but the average grade is not as good as the first and last two seasons. Not that he didn't play great matches (great solo goal vs Real Madrid etc. and for national team), and with him on the field FCB remained competitive on all fronts, it is just at a lower level as before.

    1983/84 Eredivisie 31 7.03 ACS 2
    1982/83 Eredivisie 21 6.81 INC 1
    dic 81 Eredivisie 15 7.03 ACS 0
    lug 81 Major League Soccer 0 - 0 -
    gen 81 10 6.50 C 0 -
    1980 Major League Soccer 0 - 0 -
    1979 Major League Soccer 0 - 0 -
    1977/78 Liga 25 7.28 C 1
    1976/77 Liga 29 7.24 C 1
    1975/76 Liga 29 6.62 C 1
    1974/75 Liga 30 6.50 C 0
    set 73 Liga 26 7.12 C 0
    1973/74 Eredivisie 2 9.00 C 0
    1972/73 Eredivisie 26 6.75 C 1
    1971/72 Eredivisie 30 7.47 ACS 1
    1970/71 Eredivisie 24 7.06 ACS 1
    1969/70 Eredivisie 33 7.14 ACS 1
    1968/69 Eredivisie 28 7.14 ACS 1
    1967/68 Eredivisie 33 7.30 C 1
    1966/67 Eredivisie 30 7.40 SP 1

    For those two seasons it is less clear he was the best player in the world (I would say so for the 1977 calander year, yes). He was generally and widely recognized as the world's best player until 1978, and this includes the Brazilian press and Placar (when he played in Brazil and "confirmed all expectations"). See the Placar archives.

    I agree also in diminished state he remained a danger and added value generally. His leight frame (67kg at 1.80m) helped him some think. There is less dead weight to carry around, even though it is commonly assumed on poor pitches you need strength.

    "The changing demands of the game are also reflected in the changing bodies on football fields. Players have become taller and slimmer. English researchers showed the football players have changed from 'mesomorphic' to 'ectomorphic' in fifty years: from stocky and muscular to slender and muscular.

    The explanation? Running and sprinting are simply better with streamlined bodies. And especially on modern football fields. On the winter muddy fields of the past, muscle strength was an advantage; on today's billiard tables, speed and flexibility are more important."

    https://decorrespondent.nl/15350/wa...n-worden/7948c490-9b46-0974-397b-0ba563c54d5d

    Johan - we can say Johan because only three Johans have ever played for Oranje - was great with good teams and substandard teams alike.

    Indeed, in 1977-78 he often played as sweeper/defender, including the Cup Final. That is right. His timing in the air and with heading was impeccable. Even the faint praising/backhand compliments German brigade has to admit: "Add to that a pretty good jump. Good enough to outjump players like Schwarzenbeck."
    https://footballarguments.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/team-of-the-decade-1970-1980/

    'Franz' was playing in the USA back then and when he was asked who is the best libero in Europe right now he replied "that is the man with number fourteen. I mean that seriously, yes".

    This remains nice:
     
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  6. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #131 carlito86, Jun 18, 2024
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    Finished 3 points above the relegation zone in their own league
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977–78_in_English_football

    yes they beat Barcelona in that UC first leg(a complete fluke )

    but I don’t think you’d ever dream of exploring the possibility that the reason they lost in the first place was because Cruyff had a stinker of a performance.

    Did this come across your mind even once dear fanboy?
     
  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Back in those days home advantage counted for more and Ipswich raised themselves for the big occasions. Hence players as Mills and Mariner were internationals. Mariner made even his debut for England in the 1977-78 season.



    Yup, entiterily to blame. According to the pizza man and Fussballkonig.
     
  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  9. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
  10. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    #135 ffff15, Jun 18, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2024
    When Ronaldo scored a hat-trick against Wolfsburg in 15/16( and ghosted for the rest of the tournament)
    Wow what a genius he is the GOAT
    But for Cruyff in 77/78 UC
    "but I don’t think you’d ever dream of exploring the possibility that the reason they lost in the first place was because Cruyff had a stinker of a performance"
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    Cristiano has the worst fanbase on database and it's not even close, a bunch of inconsistent people with 0 ball knowledge
     
  11. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #136 carlito86, Jun 18, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2024
    Who called Ronaldo a genius for scoring a hattrick against Wolfsburg?

    I don’t even believe he should’ve won the 2016 ballon dor

    just for the record though

    Wolfsburg 2015/16
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    PSV 1977/78
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    The winner of the 1977/78 UEFA Cup is the same level as Wolfsburg 2015/16
    We can almost say exactly the same

    if you want to use great performances vs the winners of the UEFA CUP as some sort of yardstick for measuring the greatness of any given player then I’m afraid you are really targeting the worst possible player for this.

    no one in the history of football has destroyed a serial winning UEFA cup winning team as cristiano has

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    no one

    destroying a UEFA cup winning team was a routine occurrence for him and a career highlight for Cruyff.

    Did Cruyff even destroy PSV 77/78 lol
     
  12. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    There is a difference between UEFA Cup and Europe League and I'm afraid you can't understand that, you are a casual who just uses wikipedia stats for his arguments.
     
  13. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  14. William Whitehill

    William Whitehill New Member

    Chelsea
    England
    May 11, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You realize you had to win the league first in order to get to the European cup in those times? There is a reason he made it with Ajax a bunch of times and Barcelona only once. He only played 1 edition during his time at the club. It’s not the same luxury as today when players who are in the top 4 teams can enter and on occasions 5 teams could enter the Champions League.
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #140 PuckVanHeel, Jun 25, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2024
    Here that Leeds performance people criticize. Remember: Leeds was a notorious team and the 1970s the most violent decade (not 1980s).


    (Wonderful account- a bigger fan than me! With actual evidence and transparant facts!)



    Someone else remarked, based on his stats:

    "Cruyff his stats against the teams managed by Ernst Happel, arguably the best manager of all-time and greatest manager of the 1970s: 16 games, 9 goals, 8 assists, 2 penalty won. Cruyff is simply the master of football."

    (for me also Happel > Michels yes, even though Michels was quality and a top coach, not a clown. Just didn't do a lot without Cruijff his involvement, with diminished league positions)
     
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