Tokyo 2020 Olympic Referees & Discussion [R]

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    The yellow on van de Donk in the 95’ wasn’t even a foul.
     
  3. GlennAA11

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    Jun 12, 2001
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    did you not see her whack the US player in the knee?
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Another two or three minute offside check in ET. Very very close decision.
     
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  5. ManiacalClown

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  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the ET check, but the PK and second half offside check were way too slow. It's a small sample size, but it was far from WC VAR worthy.
     
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  7. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    It was shin and it was part of the follow through after she played the ball out.

    I’d argue that it was natural and not careless. In no reality was it reckless.
     
  8. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Pretty clear foul IMO (jumps at opponent). Could accept it being careless when how clearly the ball was played, but I had no problem with the yellow.
     
  9. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    Another easy offside call
     
  10. Rufusabc

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    May 27, 2004
    That disaster at the back in the 114th should have been a goal? That’s a deliberate play, IMHO.
     
  11. code1390

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    Pretty clear challenging of an opponent IMO.
     
  12. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    The challenge (which triggers offside) preceded the deliberate touch.
     
  13. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    oh! Nevermind….
     
  14. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    For a non-ref, can you please explain more? I thought the touch by the defender reset the offside. Was there a foul that was called and not offside?
     
  15. code1390

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    Morgan was pressuring (challenging) the defender before she touched it. That's enough for the offside offense.
     
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  16. sam_gordon

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    Feb 27, 2017
    Trying to simplify for myself, since Morgan was involved with the play while in an offside position? Similar to being offside and distracting the GK, even if they don't make a play on the ball?
     
  17. code1390

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    Yep. It all falls under the "interfering with an opponent" part of offside.
     
  18. sam_gordon

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    Feb 27, 2017
    Thank you.
     
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  19. ManiacalClown

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    The only offside offense that I think could possibly be considered correct would be interfering with the opponent by challenging for the ball.

    There's no obvious attempt to actually play the ball (running after it is not enough).
    Nothing Morgan does impacts the defender's *ability* to play the ball.

    So then what are the considerations for whether a player is challenging an opponent for the ball?
     
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  20. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    I have a question about the Dutch goal that was pegged back late in the 2nd half. They never showed a replay here in the US. The headed ball off the corner hit the post and then was put in by Beerensteyn. I think it was called offside but did the US keeper get a touch on the ball? If so, doesn't that negate offsides? Corners always are confusing about when something is or is not offsides.
     
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  21. code1390

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    Since it was a save from the GK it doesn't cancel offside. It was really close though. It's the player closest to the USA #5 who scores the goal. Her foot and perhaps upper body are just barely offside.

    [​IMG]
     
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  22. AZOldRef

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    Apr 5, 2021
    Back to the Morgan play in ET ... I am confused. She's running after the ball, yes. Where does this cross over into "impacting an opponent"?
     
  23. code1390

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    Here's a video. If you want to argue she isn't challenging an opponent for the ball then fine, I'll just counter with "making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball".

    https://i.imgur.com/TlDJRPw.mp4
     
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  24. code1390

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    This was the clip I was looking for from UEFA. They have this as offside for "making an obvious action that impacts...". If that is offside, then Morgan surely was.

    https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/581238354

    https://i.imgur.com/SUOYy2O.png
     
  25. socal lurker

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    May 30, 2009
    I don't think there's much to argue about on Morgan. She's pressuring the defender before the defender gets a play on the ball.
     

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