Todays Security Council Meeting Thread

Read like positive reports, particularly the nuclear aspect. The nuclear people have investigated and dismissed the allegations of attempts to build a nuclear capability.

Not that it will make any difference, of course.

 

Blix says more time is needed

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/07/sprj.irq.main/index.html

Inspections are working.

Of course it won't matter because the Wolfowitz is going to attack anyway.

 

Must...resist...urge to make...lame (R) joke

 

Also: "Blix added that Baghdad must also account for how much of the weapons were produced."

and "Iraq, with a highly developed administrative system, should be able to provide more documentary evidence about its proscribed weapons programs," Blix said. "Only a few new such documents have come to light so far, and have been handed over since we began inspections."



Looks like there is more work to do but it sounds promising that progress is being made.

 

Listening to some of these speeches, I would be surprised if France, Russia or China have to use their vetoes because it doesn't sound like the US is going to get the nine votes they need to pass the new resolution.

 

They'll be much worse if the US acts without UN oversight...Russia will declare pre-emptive attacks on Chechen "terrorists" as falling within the Bush "doctrine."

As will China, Israel, and countless others we can't as easily predict...

 

Straw offers a further ammendment, approved by the US, UK and Spain, that extends a compliance period.

After all that bluster, Straw and Co. begin to concede the realities of the opinion of 85% of the UN Members...

 

I don't get why you guys say inspections are working. What is working is the ridiculous lengths Bush is going to amp up the war, thus forcing Sadaam to at least provide the illusion that he is complying.

The point though is that it is not about complying with the inspectors. Iraq was supposed to dissarm by itself. The inspectors are just there to verify the disarmament. The lack of an explanation of the VX gas and the missing agents and the missing chemical and bio weapons, that is why the diplomatic solution should be done with.

1441 said get rid of your weapons and we will send inspectors to confirm that you have no bio, chem, or nukes

He didn't.

How many more times must we go through this? In my mind this has nothing to do with complying with the inspectors. It has to do with disarming. Are they disarmed or have they provided proof they have disarmed?

No.

 

I already answered that here:

https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=811795#post811795

 

Here's the money shot of Resolution 1441:

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;

14. Decides to remain seized of the matter.

The penalty for non-compliance, then, is reminiscence.

The US and UK were snookered by the UN opposition on this one. Even if you make the case that "serious consequences" can mean invasion, the resolution doesn't even call for those serious consequences. This is why the second resolution was necessary. Unlike the Congressional resolution, there is nothing giving Bush the power to pre-emptively declare war.

So a unanimous vote that Saddam is not complying with 1441 doesn't mean that the UN has signed on to invasion.

The real blame, of course, belongs to the Bush Administration. They promised they had evidence, the world gave them a fair hearing, and they didn't deliver.

 

Evidently some other people share your analysis. The following is a good read, especially to summarize the implications of "not fully disarming"

http://www.msnbc.com/news/881542.asp?0dm=C14SO

 

Re: Blix says more time is needed

here is my problem with blix.

he says that iraq is going to provide more documentation that the WMD were destoryed while the UN inspectors were out of the country...and iraq is going to provide more information on this and that...

why was this not all included in the report to the UN that iraq had to submit a month ago? why will they be providing documentation now, and why didnt they earlier when they were suppose to by 1441?

i just dont understand...did they leave that chapter out or something?

 

Re: Re: Blix says more time is needed

Bush said he was going to provide evidence that they had WMD, and we're still waiting for that, too.

 

Jack Straw is a ************in' pimp.


Alex

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Blix says more time is needed

Says who, Israel?

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Blix says more time is needed

1441 requests that they do. If Bush has any interest in the inspection process, why wouldn't he provide the information he's been requested to?