To Those Outraged At The INS For Registering Arabs

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Ben Franklin

 

Yes, because every Italian is in the mob just because John Gotti was. Perhaps in an effort to crack down on organized crime we should require all "wops" to register with the Ministry of Homeland Security.

Change a few words around, and we've got the standard "anti-towelhead" position.

 

We are talking about people who are NOT citizens of the United States. Why SHOULDN'T the law enforcement authorities know at all times where they live. Every foreign country I have lived in (including the ROC on Taiwan where I live now) I have had to register with the government where I live. Why shouldn't resident-aliens in the U.S. be required to do the same thing?

 

Duh.

They DO register. The INS is rounding up ALL registered male visitors from the countries on their "terrorist hit list." The INS doesn't care if these people are legally here or not. They're making them all register again. As if a terrorist who is in hiding in the US is going to waltz into the nearest INS office and say, "oh, yeah, here I am. Please arrest me now."

Maybe we can build some special camps for the Muslims so we can keep a close watch on them. Since we want to pay attention to them very closely, and concentrate our efforts, we can call them concentration camps.

 

But remember, Saudi Arabia is not one of those countries, because the next terrorist attack couldn't possibly include Saudis.

As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." Saudi nationals have attacked us once so they can't get us again! Yay!

 

Look, Muslims (like anyone) who are not citizens are in the U.S. as our guests. We don't have to let them in. We do because we are a comparatively open and tolerant society. However, that does not mean we give up our rights to protect ourselves against them. Besides, if we DID lock them in concentration camps (which I DO NOT support), it wouldn't be like we are locking up U.S. citizens like with the Japanese-Americans during World War II.

 

Since you don't seem to get it, allow me to shout.

MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE INS TO GET THEIR VISAS!!!

And putting them in camps would be better than putting Japanese-Americans in camps exactly how?

 

However, how many of them actually register change of addresses? Besides, if they already are required to register with the INS, what the heck is your problem.

First, I said I didn't support it. However, since they are NOT American citizens, I don't have the concerns with it that the Japanese-American internment did. I would prefer just deporting them rather than interrning them all. However, to be honest, we aren't to that point yet, not even close.

 

I have no idea. Nor do I think it's in any way relevant to this situation.

For starters, I have a problem with the fact that other foreigners from countries NOT on this list don't have to go through the same demeaning process? I have a problem with the way this thing looks like they're rounding up "undesirables" and denying them basic civil rights. I have a problem with the fact that they're questioning people for hours at a time about who they know back home and what connections they might have to people back in the countries of origin.

I don't expect you to undertand though.

Yes, you did. Then you went on to say "it wouldn't be like we are locking up U.S. citizens like with the Japanese-Americans during World War II," implying that creating concentration camps for Muslims who are not citizens wouldn't be so bad.

How about allowing people who come here and do nothing wrong, and who come here completely legally, be left alone unless and until they do something wrong?

 

Karl Keller,

Are you still keeping track of the personal attacks? You might want to add this to your list.

 

Hey Karl,

Here's another.

Enjoy.

 

The only self-loathing I see around here is from you.

 

These people have ALREADY reported their status to the INS. Why should they have to do it again? If there are any other terrorists in this country right now, do you think they're actually going to go to their local INS office and report themselves?

BTW, thanks a bunch for the personal attacks.

 

As to your first point, this is a rule (I am guessing some regulation or law) that they must follow. It has been on the books, but I never knew about it and many at the INS never knew of it or applied it. This is where the INS can detain people. Oh, so you didn't tell us you moved...go to jail, pass go but don't collect $200!

You see, when they enter the country did the INS give them a copy of the policy? Nope.

Second point, you must understand that the NYPD just announced the other day that they don't take the time to notify the INS of any people they detain. Even if we wait until someone does something wrong, it is highly possible that the INS will not be informed of the transgression.

That shows that the communication between agencies, so noted after 9/11, is still lacking and if these cats were on some terror watch list, regardless of immigratory status, the people who need to know it might not.

Let's not forget the stellar "police work" that solved and saved NYC and OK City. Cops get fools for traffic violations, dorks blow up their rental van inside the WTC garage and ask for their deposit back, and related luck.

We are a free society, so to speak, and are in some kind of catch-22. If you have guests in your home, as many have pointed out that aliens are guests and should play by our rules, would you treat some better than others? Unless one guy doesn't start adjusting the color on your TV or tells you how ugly your furniture is, then I would think not. Selective enforcement of rules will always get you problems.

I bet France is a nice place to visit, but the French are known to treat Americans poorly.

 

Yea, and you could be beaten until you sign a confession and end up on death row! Nothing to hide?

Why don't you go with your buddies on the border and shoot some illegals.

 

Boy, Mike, I hope you do this ALL YEAR.

RS

 

Not up on current events, eh?

Ever hear of Illinois?

Ever hear of Arizona?

Simple ideas and mere words can turn into some misguided policy and tactics.

 

Must have been a while since you checked. When they pulled this stunt in Los Angeles, they tossed a bunch of people in the cage for screwups that the INS made, not the Muslim immigrants.

Oh, no prizes for guessing how many terrorists they caught.