There are countless problems that plague Korean soccer in general and this YTN video posted down below is probably the most accurate description of what our major problem at hand is http://tvnews.media.daum.net/sportstv/200405/04/ytni/v6588565.html Anchor: After the resignation of ex-Korean National Team Coach Coelho, there are rising voices that the Korean FA and its techincal advising comittee are not doing their jobs properly. The FA should be managing the Korean National team and should be creating new visions for Korean soccer in general but without any new changes, there are arguments to restore to the Korean FA and its members in general. Now Choi Dong-ho On the 19th of last month Coelho expressed his unsatisfaction towards to Korean FA. [Coelho] "I wanted sufficient support. There are llimits on what a foreignor can do in a country of different culture and language. It wouldve been a big help with technical assistance" Coelho shouts "not enough assistance"! Coelho's precise unsatisfying terms were: not enough practice, absense of information analyses, and the lack of communication with the Korean FA. However despite Coelho's opionion, the technical advisory commitee came up with an unexpected answer. [Kim Jin-guk] "The next coach should be a person that can produce acceptable results even under horrilbe conditions" Lack of National team practice could also mean the failure of the KFA to agree with the K-League clubs on player issues. The KFA also did not even send a single media analyzer to Oman and Vietnam and brought upon shocking results. The KFA's arbitrary collection of information and the absense of negotiation! The KFA has been recieving countless times that they are a disfunctional organization since last year. [Jo Gwang-rae - Coach of FC Seoul] "Coelho only had 72 hours to practice since he became coach. That's a problem that the KFA needs to solve" They say that even the best marbles need to be created into an item to be useful. The KFA that wants to bring in a world re-known manager! However without new changes and admitting their mistakes, KFA's new head coach would be like building a house over sand.
Hold the press ! Breaking news !! KFA does not stand for professional or even respectable in many things they do, or try to at least... I'm sure every fan in most countries can b!tch and moan about their football federation, and for the most part many might have legitimate gripes but for Coelho to cry foul is a little stupid on his part. It's not like he was naive and didn't realize $#!t like this doesn't happen, especially in East Asia. MAybe he should have referenced the job a bit further instead of being blindsided by the $$ signs. No doubt the KFA needs a total reorganization top to bottom, but politics will dictate otherwise. We could be worse off, however. We could be like the Red Chinkies and see their team & association fail over and over and over...
Quite the thoughtless post So you're basically saying that all is to blame Coelho because we already know that our FA is disfunctional? I'm not sure if you know a lot about Korean football but our FA is not just some ordinary FA in South America or Europe. People can bitch and whine but once we fix Korea's FA, then we will fix the K-League and maybe perhaps your beloved Korean National Team can advance from the preliminaries during the World Cup without any premium advantages.
The lastest hot rumor is Mick McCarthy, the Sunderland's Football Coach to be the Next ROK Coach....McCarthy didn't deny the rumor but just dismissed it. He did a fairly decent job with ROI (Republic of Ireland) in 2002 WC, top 16 ain't that bad for a Irish Squad without Keane (And i don't mean Robbie Keane, the one with Roy). I don't mind this guy to be the coach, Sunderland is in the playoffs for that 3rd spot for promotion to premiership. Can't really blame everything on Coelho, i mean KFA didn't really support the guy, but Coelho also doesn't have the right to whine about it. Let's face it, Coelho did not coach that well under KFA, but i still wouldn't know if Coelho would have done any better even if KFA's support.
I think differently. I don't care if Aime Jaquet came instead of Coelho. The results would have been the same. The problem is that the KFA does not know what they have been doing wrong or the direction that it should move. It does not even have a plan to revive the K-League. And the biggest problem is that the KFA is moving the media towards the new coach. Everyone on this K-board seems to be interested in topics like "whos the best Korean footballer now" or "who should be the new coach". Whatever decision the KFA makes, each one of you will not affect the outcome of it. But the K-League should be Korea's top priority and it is not. Lets take our time with the new coach. And one more thing. Coelho acheived all his goals. He won the East Asian Cup and navigated Korea onto the Asian Cup. Instead he gets a "coach" like Park Sung-hwa. He is not a coach. He is a "Kam-dok" and a good one at that. KFA needs to use their brains.
Short of Korean society changing, things will remain the way they are in the KFA sport. Politics, ineptitude, whatever...no foreign coach can say that he didn't expect things will go his way all the time; it just doesn't work that way. Is it right ? Absolutely not, however for Coelho to bitch and moan while he gives us debacles such as Maldives, Oman, etc is a thoughless answer on his part...oh wait that's my post evidently. Don't paste articles from Korean papers and proclaim you can solve all the answers. Any one of us who lived in Korea for a long period of time pretty much can attest how frustrating some things are out there. I blame Coelho on his stupidity and hypocracy for his own failures, not the KFA (although they had a big part as well). I'd love to smack you down from your high horse, but I can't bitchslap all smartasses now can I ? He "won" the East Asian Cup ? Are you kidding me ? If that's what is considered "winning", look up the word default. He dropped the ball on that tournament big time.
Why do we bring in a foreign coach? - no coach can guarantee that he will achieve all his goals. We praise Guus because he has exceeded his goals. Our goal at the moment of his arrival was to be victorious in group play and to advance out of our group. We also praise Guus because he has showed us possibilities of Korean soccer. Hence, we bring in a foreign coach and pay him so much money because we believe that he will teach Korea advanced European styles of training and the way the game is played. In 2002 we had specific goals. And we achieved those goals. But what about 2004? Was the National Team our top priority? Obviously not because excluding the Korea vs Oman game in Ulsan, NAT team's games' attendances never exceeded 37K. Did we have specific goals? Are we still dreaming of 2002? The difference between you and I, is that I have overcome 02 and you have not. The KFA mis-used Coelho and saying that he is to blame is irony. The difference between you and I, is that I know what the plague of Korean football is and you don't. Look. If you have an identity problem and proclaim how frustrating it is to live in Korea then don't go back. If you don't give a flying fcuk about the K-League and only care about the Korean Nats playing excellent footie then STFU and watch the Olympics this summer. Or even better why watch Korean soccer? Go watch Euro 2004. Hands down you have all rights to criticize as you wish. Continue to amuse me. Because I don't care if you are a FOB or a BANANA - 국빠는 닥쳐 주셈. And I'd love to smack you down from your high horse, but I can't bitchslap all smartasses now can I ? You're right. You can;t bitchslap cuz yer ass cant reach. pz.
Another kigga...that's rich. Do you braid your hair into cornrows and wear FUBU too ? You talk like a n*gga, so I guess you're not a "banana" huh ?
That's an unfortunate post on my part...how dare I demean the African American community by using a vile word to describe a punk kid ? Apologies to the African American community. The irony of having some 18 year old kid lecture me about how I'm clueless or ignorant in my views is silly...when you can go to the places I've gone to and experienced everything an education can bring, then maybe I'll take your posts more seriously (although you bring up sone good points). Your "expert" posts are nothing more than opinion...don't pretend you know more than someone else. Pop someone's cherry first before you tell people off... It's just plain silly to see a stubborn kid think he's the smartest person around...I was once as impressionable as you so I'll just let it pass.
Oh my mistake...rich ass FOB. I thought that was an oxymoron after '98. What a bad year for FOB's. Wiped a lot of them off the tranquil army avoiding land called America and back to being the kids who get picked on or were just plain too dumb to handle Korea's school system.
I will rebuttal one point you make though. I do agree with the fact that improving the K-League would be the greatest improvment in Korean football, so how do you go about it ? I'm not an expert in the domestic league because frankly I don't have a particular allegiance to one team or region. I might take a look at the scores every now and then, but I don't pretend I know the league a whole lot. A strong domestic league is almost always a precursor to a national team being succesful, Mexico being one particular example that I think of. Telemundo has given me a great opportunity to watch the Clausura more than the K-League and clubs like Chivas have Mexican only players on their squad. Most K League teams I belive have imports as their top players (the Brasilian strikers, European defenders being the obvious examples) and I think that hinders domestic development. If Korean players can't even get top billing on their team, then how can the national team call up worthy domestic players ? Granted there are many solid domestic players in the K-League but I belive that they should produce more solid players for the national team and not have the KFA recall every foreign based player just because they play football outside the borders.
World Cup 2002 has also spolied many fan's expectations I belive. Belive it or not, I'm pretty proficient in socer/football both as a fan and player. I was nothing special playing in AYSO up to high school, but I do appreciate the game as a fan and former player. Korea's football fans are quite honestly new to the game in terms of their knowledge. Some may have a greater appreciation of the game, but most are indeed more interested in the country doing well rather than the team itself. The national team should have lost in the quaterfinal game against Spain...anyone who disputes this is an idiot. Spain got robbed, no question about it. The progress should have stopped there, but instead many people got ahead of themselves and proclaimed that Guus will take the team to Yokohama...please. Not gonna happen. The team has improved greatly from the first time I witnessed firsthand a Korea football game (September '97 in World Cup 98 qualifying) in Japan. The team has a solid nucleus and the right coach (foreign or domestic) can take the team into elite status, but it sure has been a rough time since 2002. Wanna know why the KFA brings in foreign coach nowdays ? The public wants it. If there was a brilliant Korean coach just waiting for his chance to coach, chances are the folks at the KFA will overlook him because fans back home are so naive about football that they will DEMAND a foreign coach thanks to Guss's success. The KFA "technical committee" chose Coelho and now their failure on that hire has them starting the process over it. As much as you seem to defend Coelho as much as you can, ultimately he failed to coach the team into winning the games it should have won. Like politics someone has to take the fall, and in this case a lot of people should have gone down with the ship. Accountablilty is something Korean society sorely lacks. Coelho might have legitimite greivences, but when he blames the lack of support from the KFA for the team's performance is deflecting his own failures to coach world class players into winning games against minnows.
Sorry but my parents are both officers in the U.S. Army. I am an American citizen by birth and lived overseas and Korea for 16 years of my life because of my parent's duties. sorry. don;t be mad because i am more Korean than you are.
Oh I see. Your first Korea football game was in 1997. That gives you the ultimate upper hand to call me the know-it-all. I do know more bout Korean football than you do - or at least care about it more. If you don't follow the K-League than WHOOP-DEE-DOO i guess the arguments over. Surely you wouldn't say that you know more about Korean footie more than I do, would ya? And Korean football fans probably are more knowledgable than most European football fans. check out soccer4u.co.kr from time to time. People like you will most likely be murdered out there. It's fine that you have your own opinions but if you're pissed off at the fact that I hold different views and some 18 year old fool won;t respect you then yer at the wrong place. Or if you are pissed off at the fact that we lost to minnows - suck it up. ********e happens. There is no guarantee that Guus would've won those games. So once again 국빠는 닥쳐주셈.
Now I know you're just full of $#!t with that remark. You're gonna have to translate the last part of your rebuttal there boy. The whole thing was unstructured and for the most part didn't prove anything, except tell me how young you really are. I don't have Korean language installed on my computer...
Here's a structured response to various issues...now watch carefully and don't let the grown up stuff pass you by army brat My post: "I'm sure every fan in most countries can b!tch and moan about their football federation, and for the most part many might have legitimate gripes but for Coelho to cry foul is a little stupid on his part. It's not like he was naive and didn't realize $#!t like this doesn't happen, especially in East Asia. MAybe he should have referenced the job a bit further instead of being blindsided by the $$ signs. No doubt the KFA needs a total reorganization top to bottom, but politics will dictate otherwise " Your post: "Quite the thoughtless post So you're basically saying that all is to blame Coelho because we already know that our FA is disfunctional? I'm not sure if you know a lot about Korean football but our FA is not just some ordinary FA in South America or Europe. People can bitch and whine but once we fix Korea's FA, then we will fix the K-League and maybe perhaps your beloved Korean National Team can advance from the preliminaries during the World Cup without any premium advantages." Wonderful opening line. That alone would probably provoke a negative response, not necessarily the rest of your post. Now I pointed out that the KFA indeed needs to be changed TOP TO BOTTOM, but conversely I stated it was stupid for Coelhoto deflect from his own misgivings and pass blame to the football commitee without admitting to his own faults. Your post: "Coelho acheived all his goals. He won the East Asian Cup and navigated Korea onto the Asian Cup. " That's basically admitting that he "acheived" his stated goals while not beating teams he should beat. I don't think many in the football community viewed his default win with any satisfaction. The fans sure as hell didn't... My post: "Short of Korean society changing, things will remain the way they are in the KFA sport. Politics, ineptitude, whatever...no foreign coach can say that he didn't expect things will go his way all the time; it just doesn't work that way. Is it right ? Absolutely not, however for Coelho to bitch and moan while he gives us debacles such as Maldives, Oman, etc is a thoughless answer on his part...oh wait that's my post evidently. Don't paste articles from Korean papers and proclaim you can solve all the answers. Any one of us who lived in Korea for a long period of time pretty much can attest how frustrating some things are out there. I blame Coelho on his stupidity and hypocracy for his own failures, not the KFA (although they had a big part as well). I'd love to smack you down from your high horse, but I can't bitchslap all smartasses now can I ? " That last line was pretty clever I think. But I digress. Point being the KFA is like any other Korean bureaucracy. For a foreigner doing business in Korea can be a huge waste of time in many cases ? How do I know ? Personal experience as well as for countless others no matter how big or small the person or company is. Once again I stated my main point, then the real good stuff got thrown in. For example: I never mentioned my knowledge of the K League, but your contention was the since you know more about the K league that gives you a direct advantage over my opinions. Maybe, but I never mentioned how I was a expert in the domestic league. Since I did admit to that fact, your response was... "good that you admit it. now shut up." You gotta do a better job than that for a convincing rebuttal. I stated that having a strong domestic league is critical to a national team's success, so how does that admit to anything ? I stated an opinion and not as a conceded point. To blow your argument that I was a bandwagon fan out of the water I stated I've followed the national team from the day I was in Japan watching World Cup 98 qualifications. No one said that makes me a better fan in any way, just to discredit your facetious assumption that I was a newbiw bandwagon fan. If that intimidates you, I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps while you were back in Korea you spent too much time at the Youngsan bowling alley or whatever but it's my opinion that by living in an environment that is designed to shelter it's residents from mainstream Korean society you really don't know how things work out there. While I've accepted the fact that living and doing business in Korea has it's seedy underling especially to foreigners, you seem to disagree. And that's ok, because the only way someone will figure that out is to get out on his own and experience things as an adult. Like I said, Coehlo does have legitimate points, the fact that he plays coy and bitches about how hard it is for a foreigner to get things done in Korea shows me that when he was at first interested in the job he didn't take the time to ask fellow European coaches in East Asia such as Hiddink. Troussier and many foreign former/current K and J league managers how working in a completely foreign environment than Protestant/Catholic Europe is upside down in many respects out in East Asia. For all the KFA's faults, Coelho's lack of his own fault is why I blame him for not achieving his own goals (as he's publically stated). That's how an argument goes, learn from it my son. Being an army brat should be an excuse to be more aware or other cultures and in general should enlighten one's upringing, not the other way around. Clearly you're demonstrated the latter versus the former. Maybe when you're on your own you're grow up in terms of intellectual capacity. Can't wait for Euro 2004. Now that's good football. Great players, tactics, world class managers and real football fans passionate about their team in a way that many Asians will never get to experience, save for a few internatoinal matches and the occasional world defining international sporting event. Yeah the K League and especially their fans are superior to all that. Hahahaha...you need to get out of the world more often. I hope the loss to Japan doesn't dampen the Chech Republic's chances in Euro. I loved my time in Prague in my semester abroad at the University of Economics and I've learned to admire guys like Jan Koller, Martin Jiranek and Pavel Nedved. 'Go watch Euro 2004" - I sure am. Will you ? Suwon ain't playing the likes or Germany and Holland anytime soon...hahahahaha !
An oegugin (this would look better if I can type Korean, belive me) who knows Korean...that should be commendable, yet I can't come to see this as some sort of acheivment. The intrinsic genius of the Korean language is that it's so scientific in its structure, yet at the same time a very easy language to learn if you put your mind to it. Clearly you're mastered a good enough repertoire of the language, yet countless other foreigners from various walks of life and nationalities have done the same from their time in Korea. So in that respect I can't seem to find it in myself to congratulate you...as they say just another wannabe Korean eh ?
"soccer4u" is the name of the website ? Soccer is what they call football in the United States, New Zealand and Australia. If this website is all that its cracked up to be with their "knowledgeable" fans, I would hope they reflect what the sport is known in countries that take their football seriously. For all of their shortcomings (and there are a lot), Japanese fans don't go around and call football "soccer". For that reason alone I have to give them credit as much as it pains me to do so. Soccer = MLS, A League, etc (generally unforgettable football). Thank God for Korea the K League is higher in quality than MLS (just barely). I love the Galaxy but as a league it sucks. 10 teams, can't top 15000 average attendance, no relegation/promotion, a tv audience who would rather watch reruns of the World Series of Poker at Binions Horseshoe than a "MLS Game of the Week"...that's SOCCER. Yet these "knowledgeable" Korean fans can't seem to look past their own ignorance...unbelivable. They should all shoot themselves before they look to "murder" someone else...feel free to plagarize this WORD for WORD and please let me know of their reaction. Football = Serie A (although boring), Bundesliga (same), La Liga, Clausura (my personal favorite), Eredivisie, Premier League, hell even English 1st, 2nd division (purest sense in the word football...none of the glamour yet passionate fans and play...the K League can only hope to match the history/support of the English fans/teams in both the Premiership and lower divisions).
A nice break from finals week...now back to the hectic hair pulling no sleep for hours on end Starbucks Double Shot comsuming thing I call a final thesis. A nice break indeed...thank God Thailand is only three weeks away.
국빠 is a compound word. 국 = 國 (나라 국) meaning country 빠 derives itself from the word 빠돌이 or 빠순이 meaning or referring to those mindless school girls that follow around their idol stars all the time. so hence, mindless NAT TEAM lover.