Thomas Tuchel - England Manager Thread

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  1. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    The daftest thing about the article is that the example he needed to make his point was right there in de la Fuente, who was apparently on £1m/year when Spain won the Euros. I can see the argument against expensive high-profile clubs managers, but Craig Bellamy - who in any case is paid more than seven or eight coaches who actually made it to the Euros in the summer - is about the least informative comparison possible.

    This is a bit silly too:

    "During Lee Carsley’s enjoyable six-game tenure, Tim Dittmar helped with the goalkeeping coaching. Dittmar has been with the FA for over a decade and is head of coaching across all men’s development teams. That is how the FA should work."

    One more time:

    "...is head of coaching across all men’s development teams..."

    Yeah, he already has a job. It's fine as a stopgap measure, but he doesn't need to muck in with a bit of goalkeeper coaching like a PE teacher who's been roped into the Maths department to justify his salary.
     
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  2. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Also confusing that the article criticises the FA for not promoting from within when Bellamy himself is an outside hire who never worked for the Welsh FA as a coach, and also bought with him a bunch of outside hires for the other coaches.

    Indeed, the Wales goalkeeping coach moved from England national team to Wales to be with Bellamy, which is the only reason there is even a vacancy for England goalkeeping coach in the first place.
     
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  3. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    It's also Dittmer, not Dittmar. Minor point, but if Dunn wants to make authoritative critiques of the FA's hiring policies, it might help to know the first thing about the people he's putting forward...
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    To be fair a full time goalkeeping coach does seem a waste as what can he be doing outside of international windows. Watch the relatively few viable options for the squad constantly? It’s a position where if Tuchel does want to replace Pickford he doesn’t have many other options to be advised on.
     
  5. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I don't think its actually been confirmed he is full time has it? Chelsea, in fitting with their transfer policy also have employed an army of goalkeeping coaches recently so its as much a case as he probably wasn't too happy at Chelsea.

    Even then I guess it'd depend on how much more he gets paid to be "full time" goalkeeper coach vs "part time". I would imagine that the part time aspect of international coaches is usually the coaches preference so they can also get paid by a club in the season, rather than specifically FA lead.
     
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  6. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Also depends where his strengths lie. If he's purely a training ground coach then that's a somewhat limited role, but if he has knowledge and experience that he can impart to other coaches within the FA, or if they can usefully involve him in coaching education in his downtime, then why not? By all accounts, he's a pretty well-respected coach, so it would be good to get the full benefit of his abilities and experience.
     
  7. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Starting to think Pep wouldn’t be a great England manager.
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  9. TRS-T

    TRS-T Member

    Aug 21, 2014
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    A lot of people in Germany were quite surprised that we appointed Tuchel, not just because it's us hiring another foreign manager but because of the sort of guy he is. The first Bayern Munich manager not to win the title for 12 years which led to him being sacked by the club.
     
  10. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Even discounting all of the circumstances surrounding that, Leverkusen went unbeaten with 90 points last season, which would have won them the title in all of the previous 9 seasons. Bayern haven't managed more than 84 in that period.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Tuchel seems to be better at knockout than league football which is probably a good thing for an international manager.
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
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