Thomas Müller

As Leinad already explained to a certain degree, Müller is simply a very versatile forward. You have to understand who he will be an alternative to, considering the fact that we now have finally switched to a 4-2-3-1 system with only one out-to-out striker. So while Kießling will be an alternative to Klose and Gomez for the single striker spot, Müller will likely compete with Marin, Podolski, Trochowski, Schweinsteiger, Özil etc. for one of the three spots in the attacking midfield behind them.

This doesn't mean that Kießling does not deserve a nomination though, don't get me wrong, but if we stick to our new system, which we very likely will in the coming months / years, we likely won't need more than two out-to-out strikers for the World Cup squad, three strikers maximum. We will however need a number of versatile attacking midfielders / forwards.

So in this respect, Löw's priorities actually do make sense. You have to keep in mind that our tactical setup has changed in recent months.

 

If Podolski can play LW, Kiessling can play both LW and RW, don't kid yourself. Kiessling is a better winger than the main striker actually. Muller's nomination no matter how versatile he is is a total joke, but you can all hope on some bullsh1t bandwagon.

 

Just looking at the qualities both players have to offer, and forgetting about who deserves what for a second, the fact remains that Müller is the more versatile forward than Kießling. He can beat his man, he is fast and mobile, he can play through balls, his first touch is better, too. Yes, he is young indeed and still has a lot to prove, but for me, his potential is undoubtedly huge.

Considering the fact that we are talking about squad players here, neither of them are going to be starters in forseeable future, I really can't see what the problem is. We have two friendlies to play, we need to make good use of them and test a few players, experiment a little simply because we won't have that many opportunities next year.

If Kießling continues to score in the league, he'll likely be called up for those friendlies also anyway.

 

If Frings comes, there is no point in keeping Hitzverage in the team.

 

I would like to see Muller at the WC though Badstuber is not convincing enough.

If people are really clamouring for Marin who hasnt blown us away this season, why not Muller who has been outstanding in most of his games.

Based on league form this season, Podolski deserves to be nowhere near the NT. What more do we expect from Muller. I dont see anything wrong in Muller being a squad player a part of the 23 man squad.

 

Marin has been excellent so far this season though, he was one of Werder's most consistent performers in the last few weeks. But I agree that Müller deserves a chance, as do a number of other promising young players. We really need to make good use of those friendlies, to see who actually has the potential to make the WC squad next year.

 

Kießling played RM in a 4-2-3-1 most of the 07/08 season, last season he was supporting striker and this season main striker... he is very versatile and certainly not only an option for the striker position.

I would leave Müller in the U21 for now and rather pick Marin and Kießling to try out some alternatives up front. Müller is impressive right now, but not more so than Kießling or Marin, and those 2 are more experienced and know the nt.

 

media pressured? bild is constantley screaming f kiessling. muller is just more versatile and the better choice i also think badstuber should be considered especially with our situation in central defense better than tasci anyday

 

Höwedes and Hummels should be in front of him. And Tasci had more of a season of constantly good performances already, just momentarily he is not in his best shape. Boateng is also better in central defense as Badstuber. We don't need him by now.

 

HerrRupert still has the yellow card.
You must have had it for about 10 years.


I saw Mullers pictures from Oktoberfest and he had the hottest broad. No doubt about it.

 

Link????

 

ah ja for my donovan coments i guess i get a lifer for that turned out that i was right though
@ badstuber i think if he keeps a regular starter @ bm loew will take him bayern lobby halt it might not be such a bad choice
btw how is metzelder at rm doing? is he starting?

 

Muller is not a better choice, the only position Muller can play that Kiessling cannot is AM and he is rather average at that as well. He basically plays as a withdrawn striker for Bayern instead of a real playmaker, which I don't blame but he surely doesn't know how to play like a proper #10 which is the point of his position at Bayern. Kiessling can play both wings if needed because he plays best as a second striker though unlike Muller, he can handle playing as the target man like he's proving it this season. I agree so far this season Badstuber is having a better season than Tasci, though I think Gaal's tactics definitely make our defence looks better than it actually is, similar to Barcelona and Spain.

Bild may be screaming about Kiessling, yet you don't have famous people calling for Kroos (Bayern legends) as well as the "Bayern-pressure" which has some unwritten rule that 1) if you are German and 2) you start for Bayern, you should get a nomination. I think Lell was even considered as an option 2 years ago when Hitzfeld talked to Loew..

Metzelder got injured, like he always freaking does. He doesn't deserve a chance, even though he's better than every CB currently in the team bar Mertesacker. We don't need a dying disease in the team that will get injured by slipping from a leaf and breaking foot.

 

well there is still time to see how badstuber will perform over the nxt couple of months if he stays a starter @ bm he will be nominated no doubt there
i disagree with your assesment of mueller he has a lot of scorer points if he can keep it up he will be nominated kiessling we have to see but you still have guys like cacau (wtf?) that he can trade with

 

How is 2 goals and 2 assists a lot of scorer points and Kießlings 6/2 this season and 12/9 last season is "we have to see"?

Cacau shouldn't be in the team, that's right. But Müller shouldn't be, either. He's in a good form with Bayern, but he was much less convincing with the U21, and there's a good chance that he will rotate out of Bayerns starting 11 later in the season, Kießling is in a much better shape and it's very unlikely that he'll get benched.

If Müller stays in Bayerns first 11 until March, maybe he should be given a chance then, but at the moment, I'd take Gomez, Klose, Podolski, Kießling as strikers. With them and Marin, Özil, Schweinsteiger, Trochowski, Ballack, Rolfes, Hitzlsperger and Frings (or maybe Gentner) Löw has players for 4-4-2 flat or diamond, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, with multiple options for every position of every of these systems - OK, there is no great replacement for Özil as AM, but Müller wouldn't be, either.

 

I think Kroos could be that one who is taken if he plays a solid season with leverkusen and plays almost every game.

 

I think thats a long shot but then again Loew has to work on his back up plan if Oezil is not available.

He could push Ballack up but that would destabilize the central midfield. Perhaps Marin?

 

Not really, this depends if Balla can play as a pure AM well. If he can, put Schweini as a CM and start Marin on the wing. Hypothetically if Ozil gets injured.

 

The answer is marin. Ballack should really stay where he is.


This is all if Kroos isn't taken himself. I think he should be if he does what I said earlier.