http://www.renewnyc.com/plan_des_dev/wtc_site/new_design_plans/2designs.asp I vote the World Cultural Center, but then again I would, wouldn't I?
They both suck big fat (censored for content). Neither; I think both plans lack the simple elegance, in their "memorial" portion (the only part that matters to me), of the Vietnam memorial. K.I.S.S. has to be theme of the day when it comes to this sort of stuff, and it seems that each of the two remaining plans is simply overthought, IMHO.
I think it was a husband and wife team that had a set-back design akin to the old style skyscrapers. Good stuff. Whereas these are shit.
Whatever they decide, i do hope they include the worlds tallest structure.It belongs in this country, not malaysia. and i think it would be a message that we wont let others dictate our skyline (they were talking about builing several small structures)
Most Americans who don't live in or near NYC think like this. Most New Yorkers are like me in that they have no idea how you'd get any NYCer to work in the World's Tallest Building, considering that it immediately becomes the World's Largest Terrorist Target.
I was sure I saw a poll indicating that 60-70% of New Yorkers wanted the towers rebuilt. Anyway, they're not just a New York symbol, they're a national symbol. Rebuild 'em, except taller. Alex
Link? I remember you saying the same thing a while back then you posted a poll that said New Yorkers wanted the World Trade Center rebuilt. Still waiting.
Like skipshady, I have a hard time believing this. People want something built in the area, but typically not another 110-story office building. Given a choice, most New Yorkers seem to prefer parkland or a return to the "Towers Of Light", not commercial development. What the THINK and Leibskind designs have in common is that they don't expect their towers to be filled with office workers. I think that a tall structure is fine and has the potential to be a great lower Manhattan symbol. Just don't expect there to be thousands of people lining up to work there every day. Would you work there? Of the couple dozen people I work with who I've asked that question, only one has said that he would work on an upper floor of a rebuilt WTC.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_100301_rebuildpoll.html http://www.nycroads.com/columns/2002/September/ (first bullet point, about 3/4 of the way down) Anyway, I'm not neccesarily saying that, if the towers are rebuilt, the entire thing should be used as office space. I would support office space up to the levels where the planes hit the original towers, with various memorials above that. One thing I'd really like to see in one of the two towers is a glass elevator from the floor where the plane hit all the way up to the top with the names of all those killed etched in stone, surrounding you as you ascend, followed by an observation deck at the top. And they could put some other kind of memorial in the other tower, or just leave it as unused space (between the 2 towers you're talking at least 100 floors above where the 2 planes hit, there's only so much memorial stuff you can have). But I would rebuild the towers so that from the outside they look exactly like the old ones, with the exception that they would be the tallest buildings in the world. As for the question of whether or not I would work there, I don't really have a desire to have the type of job where you'd work in an office, but if that's the type of job I wanted I wouldn't have a problem working there at all. Alex
Where does this article mention the twin towers? Is it written in invisible ink? You have to do better than this, Alex. So this guy says it's a "dirty little secret" that most New Yorkers voted for the Twin Towers. How convenient for someone with no proof to simply claim a media conspiracy. He loses credibility when he blurts out the predictable liberal media whine. Daily News and Hoy are liberal? Laughable. And if this is a liberal media bias, why hasn't Saint Rupert and his Balanced Reporting Brigade picked up on this? Town Hall meetings, I can't comment on, except to say that they are more likely to attract those on the extremes rather than provide a true segment of the population. If you want the world's biggest phallus size compensater, I wish you'd do it in your own town with your own money - that's right, buildings cost money. And more importantly, they have to be designed so, say there was strong wind or a large truck drove by, they would still stay upright. It's not like you can just add lego blocks to the top - you have to reinforce the base or redesign the whole thing so it accomodates the new height. I don't really have a desire to have the type of job where I'd work on a tractor, but if that's the type of job I wanted, I want to drive a tractor with chrome rims, V-8 engine and snow tires.
I don't think that you can really draw any long-term planning solutions from a poll taken the first week of October, 2001.
I really don't care how tall they will be please don't replicate the look of the old Twin Towers. Bleak, grey office buildings with no character are again supposed to be the center piece of the NYC skyline? I like your idea of the glass elevator memorial. Adding all those floors just for a memorial is probably too expensive though.
It's in the headline. (OK, so you have to infer that "rebuild the World Trade Center" = "rebuild the Twin Towers", but I think that's a fairly safe assumption. Alex
Assuming this poll came from somewhere other than www.axisalexcreatedthispollnumberoutofthinair.com, it's highly conceiveable that all those in favor of such a structured would never have to work there.
But it's not a safe assumption at all. The article is dated Oct 3, 2001, when there was doubt as to whether anything would be built in the WTC site. The poll was not about how, but whether the WTC should be rebuilt. But the distinction is made clearer in the article: "Thus far, Bush, Giuliani and Pataki have all said they want a rebuilding project at the site although no decision has been made on exactly what that should include." It's pretty clear from the above that "rebuilding" does not necessarily equal "rebuilding back to its original form".
I have to disagree. When someone says WTC, or World Trade Center to me, I automatically think twin towers, and I dont think its only because I worked there for 9 years. If someone were to ask me if I wanted the "World Trade Center" rebuilt, I would automatically infer they meant 1 World and 2 World (the towers.) The word "rebuilding" implies automatically that its going to be the same. If not, they could have just said "rebuild on the wtc site." And I took the Giuliani and Pataki quote ("Thus far, Bush, Giuliani and Pataki have all said they want a rebuilding project at the site although no decision has been made on exactly what that should include...") as their response of sorts to the NY'ers poll. Like they realize most want the two towers rebuilt, but they wont commit to agreeing, though they do think something should be built on the site.