They Needed a Minivan but Got a Gio: Reyna at Borussia Dortmund

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  1. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Lucky for Dortmund, they never paid a transfer fee for Gio. They got him from NYRB academy for free. So anything they sell him for is a "profit" at this point. Not as much as they would have gotten a few years ago, but still something is better than nothing.
    The problem is nobody will pay his full salary. So Dortmund will have to pay the difference of whatever the new team wants to pay him.
     
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  2. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Reports say Gio makes $2.7 million USD annually. Dortmund would be lucky to have someone pay him $1 million at this point. So that's a hefty $1.7 million loss annually if they let him go for free. Not to mention nobody wants to pay any transfer fee for him.

    Certainly no one in MLS would pay him $1 million - I would think the max they would offer is 500-750k.
     
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  3. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Diego Rossi makes $3.3 million. Evander makes $2.3 million. Gazdag $1.7 million. Mihailovic $1.3 million. Marco Reus $1.2 million. Pomykal $1 million. Cole Bassett makes 850k. Caden Clark 380k.

    So maybe Gio could reach the $1 million mark in MLS.
     
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  4. zlatan_but_a_car

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Dortmund could help him out by negotiating a buyout for the remainder of his contract, which would allow someone else to sign him for free on a much larger salary. But, I suspect, that would largely be determined by how their transfer market goes. If they lose both Chuk AND Gittens, they will need more than just Jobe to stay competitive in both the CL and the BuLi...
     
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  5. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
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    Jun 5, 2019
    Just feels like there is way more to this story, and it will come out sometime years down the road.
    Or maybe sooner.
     
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  6. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
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    moving around the US every few years ....
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  7. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
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    moving around the US every few years ....
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    DC United
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    United States
    agree with you .... just wonder if this is another JOB situation ... something medical that is yet to be publicly disclosed.
     
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  8. NYdog

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  9. bct81

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    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
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    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IF he has something medical that has not been disclosed (but would cause suitors to not even talk with him - and maybe they had to sign NDAs along the way) - that could explain the whole situation.

    1. BVB have to pay him - no one wants to sign him (it was made obvious at Forest that he just can't run) - so they market the heck out of him and BVB in the US to try and recoup some of the loss.
    2. Gio looks unhappy in training - he simply knows he just can't do what he wants to do. He gets paid which is fine for his bank account - but he will not be the player he once was.

    just FTR - total speculation.
     
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  10. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
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    He needs to take a pay cut. No club in world will pay his current salary.

    Short term sacrifice for long term gains. Think big, think long!!
     
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  11. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
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    Jun 5, 2019
    Don’t have an issue with your post, except for this part. Not sure where you see that.

    all the pictures of training I’ve seen, and the ones on his own account, have him smiling and laughing in training. Which to me, makes his situation all the more perplexing. You’d think he’d demand an exit, but could possibly be fine with just riding it out for another year.
     
  12. m vann

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    #15762 m vann, Jun 18, 2025
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    Smiling and laughing in a pic can mean something or it could nothing, We simply don't know. Here's an example... I once hated the company I worked for. I loved the actual job and responsibilities. I also genuinely liked and respected my coworkers and came to work with a smile on my face. I didn't come to work acting like a petulant child or openly disgruntled. I had a job to do even if I wasn't getting the opportunities that I thought I deserved. I also went through boss after boss and was overlooked on several promotions. Others with less talent and experience were handed those promotions. I had to gut / grind it out until I found the right opportunity while also navigating a non-compete clause. It was not as simple as me packing up my things and jetting. I had to be patient. It nearly killed me but it was worth it in the end. I found a better company. It's not totally applicable to Reyna, I know. My point is, pictures don't always tell the whole story.
     
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  13. TimB4Last

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    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Moral of the story? You can't keep a good Vann down.
     
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  14. NYdog

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  15. NietzscheIsDead

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    From the article:

    Your theory could be right, but it is no more likely than burnout. Difficulty recovering from niggling injuries is also a classic symptom of burnout. To me, from the outside, his reduction in movement stat production appears to be an effort issue. He’s not managing his career like someone who wants to keep competing at the top level.

    When we watch him play he does a lot of aimless movement. So we may be looking at the data incorrectly. What we may be looking at is his transition from a purely forward player to one who roams the midfield. Regardless, the analysis in the article is incomplete and thus somewhat misleading because he overattributes a global trend to a single incident.

    Pochettino mentioned that he wasn’t fit at the levels he needed to be to meet expectations during the last camp as well. I think we’re just seeing someone who is not putting in the work.
     
  16. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    I suppose both can be true. One begets the other with in return begets the original.
     
  17. Dervos

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  18. m vann

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    Nope. But you can sell a used Vann to a dumb soccer mom for a pretty penny. We hold our value. :D
     
  19. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
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    So, in this scenario , they should loan Gio out and let him play his ass off in the Eredivise and raise his price. The next suitor comes along and pays some cash and Gio is happy because he's playing and BVB are happy because they made back some money. I hope I have that correct.
     
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  20. VampirePotbellyGoblin

    Jun 8, 2025
    Gio's in the last year of his contract. If they don't get money for him this summer there is no "price", he will leave on a free transfer.
     
  21. jond

    jond Member+

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    The burnout is likely from being at BVB, not the sport.

    People are overthinking this. He needs a change of scenery.
     
  22. lmorin

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    Too smart and obvious. Won't happen.
     
  23. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
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    Reyna's out of contract next June. Him raising his price by playing well in the Eredivisie next season will not deliver any benefits to BVB.

    Any benefits except two: getting 1) a modest portion of his salary off the payroll and 2) him out of their dressing room.
     
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  24. The Irish Rover

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    Aug 1, 2010
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    So . . . Mrs. Vann is dumb.

    Does she know that? :whistling::whistling::whistling:
     
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  25. The Irish Rover

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    Aug 1, 2010
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    Anyone thinking he should go to the Eredivisie has to factor in the simple fact that outside the Big 3 of PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord nobody pays anything like what he's on right now.

    And even at the Big 3, Reyna's current 2.7 million would make him the 2nd best-paid player at Feyenoord and a top 5 at Ajax. Meanwhile, AZ's best-paid player is Troy Parrott, who's on 980k euros, while Twente pay Lammers 1.2m and the next best-paid player is Lagerbieke on 720k.

    It's not going to happen except where BVB are determined to get rid of him in August and are willing to eat 2/3rds of his salary or more to get it done
     
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