I'm confident that there is a team in Europe that will take him. Others think MLS is the only place that will take him. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Every time a YA hits some adversity a few jump in and say they're going to MLS. Even happened with Puli. It's a complete misunderstanding of the global market. It's just what they know and are familiar with. Some will hit MLS later in their careers. Gio is 21. C'mon now(not you). This is basic stuff.
He should take a step back at a Dutch or Belgian team. He is above that level and will shine which could open eyes . BVB are the ones who put such a large salary in his pocket. Hopefully they can reach some sort of agreement to bring Gio's price down as some smaller clubs don't want to pay his wages. He's still good and getting better.
Specific to this player, HE'S the one who's sabotaged his own career, for the most part. Whether its: the cavalcade of injuries, or the inability to play nice with his national team coach, or the helicopter parenting style of his parents, or his stoopid disrespect of BVB by falling all over himself to congratulate RM, or the inability to impress not ONE, not TWO, but THREE managers between BVB and Forest, this has largely been down to him. And this is frustrating, because unlike other YA, most observers believe that he has the ability and he has the level to shine in a top league. But he hasn't shown the availability, the maturity, or the professionalism to consistently USE his ability to nail down a spot. And now, who would want an oft-injured, immature/unprofessional player with helicopter parents, when there are other players with similar ability levels who DON'T carry all those negatives? Here's hoping it works out, but he's been a professional for half a decade. He's no longer a child, and his former prospect status has faded. We'll have to see.
I guess the vultures are out but this still seems like speculation to me. Obviously he is on the outside looking in right now. Whatever the plan is for this year, Gio is likely not expected to be a major contributor for Dortmund. Still plans can change. I don't think Dortmund are eager to sell Gio for peanuts so they will see what happens during pre-season, what kind of offers they can get and make a decision to sell, loan or keep him. There is a new coach and lot of new players coming in so the situation looks pretty fluid to me.
Plans can change but I think the club has made up their mind. Gio is not only NOT expected to be a major contributor, but he won't be a minor one either unless something major happens in the decision making. I am not sure BVB care about peanuts or not. To me, it seems their plan is to offload a bunch of players to free up salaries so it doesn't seem like transfer fees are much of a priority this time around or they would not say, "These 8 players are free to negotiate with other clubs and leave". If you, as a club, are trying to negotiate a transfer fee, the that is the wrong way to start the conversation. I think his choices are going to be limited. Hopefully he gets at least more than one serious club looking at him so he actually has a choice but I am not sure how many, based on the performance at Forest. Small clubs don't usually invest in "potential" because of the high risk associated with it. I have no doubt he will find a decent (good) club eventually, but I am not sure it will be during this round. I think he will need to earn it again and go through some stepping stones - which is not unusual for a player his age anyway. I could also be waaaaay off.
Maybe he does wind up in MLS before he's 30, but it won't be in the next 2-3 seasons. MLS pays good money, but a) the real $$$ are in Europe and b) no player wants to be branded not-quite-good-enough before he's exhausted all his options He'll keep plugging away in Europe for as long as it's possible for him to get a BL1, EPL, Serie A or La Liga side to take him. Even outside those, there are another dozen or so teams that could pay his current salary or pretty close to it: the likes of Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord (to a lesser extent), Brugge, Anderlecht, Porto, Fenerbache, etc. where he can dominate 75% of the league playing at 80% as long as he raises his game for derbies, clasicos and UEFA games
Could also be peanuts + sell on % for a smaller club. Key is, IMO, for him to try to find a club with a playing philosophy that he can fit into. There are midtable clubs in leagues that try to play the game in a way he can plug into.
Bullseye. Bellingham and Haaland moved on in successive seasons, which left Bellingham and Haaland-sized holes in the BVB lineup ready for the next star to fill. Reyna was supposed to be that star, but instead of stepping up a level he's dropped at least two and has generated rather more media coverage of his personal qualities than a player his age is supposed to attract. After 5 seasons, he hasn't acquired Main Man status at an up-or-out club par excellence. Time to move on? Yes, and dropping the excuses wouldn't do any harm either.
It may not be up to him, TBH. What if he gets injured? As usual? Or stoopidly opens his piehole on social media, and disrespects his club? Again? Or fails to find that next level of quality in his play? Or falls out with YET ANOTHER manager? I think the doors on a top league European-based career are closing on him faster than they should. Only the relatively impoverished and desperate clubs would want to deal with an oft-injured, immature, unprofessional player with helicopter parents, because they have scant other options. And its a shame, because it appears that there is ability there with Reyna, but as mentioned, perhaps not the AVAILability, and the humility and professionalism for him to access that ability.
What is even the point of following a player if you hate him that much??? Player has some adversity and let’s just shit on him and say he deserves to go to MLS as punishment? Adu threads were like this but even worse When Puli was struggling at Chelsea and often injured his “fans” had their knives out. Not good enough, needs to drop down X levels, etc… Reyna has been seriously injured for almost a whole season. He needs minutes to get back in shape and show his real quality. I have no doubt that Reyna will come good. He needs to find a team, like Puli, who will give him a chance and we are off and running. Reyna will get his chance. But it’s the silly season. Has Reyna made mistakes? Sure, but he’s young and will learn. One thing you guys have right is that I think he loses his spot if he doesn’t get minutes somewhere. So this next move is going to be a game changer for him. Don’t mess it up Reyna!
There was also interest from Marseille. Sky Sports has speculated that the interest may continue. Second had speculation here in English. There were also rumors connecting him to La Liga in the past - but teams there might not be able to match his salary. (...though he could lower his expectations to get to a better landing spot. I would love to see him in La Liga!)
I still say that Musah getting 40 games with Milan and Reyna not being able to get off the bench for Nottingham is one of the most confounding things I've observed over the years and years of following YAs. Not to take anything away from Musah but Reyna is currently a better player.
Since January, Giovanni Reyna has not seen his BVB teammates. He spent the first half of the year in England as a loan to Nottingham Forrest, then went straight to the Copa America. After the embarrassing preliminary round-off as hosts, he went on holiday. So that he could get more time off, he was to travel directly from the USA to Thailand or Japan, where Dortmund is currently on a PR tour. But now it was decided to change the plan in the short term. On Tuesday 23, the Black and Yellow announced: “Gio Reyna will not travel to the Asia Tour tomorrow. The US national player will once again join the team in Dortmund.” From the USA to Japan, to continue to Germany shortly afterwards? Even before the change of plan, many doubted whether this is a reasonable idea just for some marketing and a test game against Cerezo Osaka. Now Borussia Dortmund has obviously also realized that a detour of nearly 20,000 km is too much effort for too little money. Reyna much rather would travel directly back to the Ruhr area. How long he stays there is still to be seen. After two difficult years, it is unclear whether he will start a new attempt at Borussia Dortmund after his stint at Nottingham. A new loan is possible – even a fixed transfer is not excluded. Published on The West today: https://www.derwesten.de/sport/fuss...ni-reyna-transfer-verkuendet-id301064352.html * "Reyna much rather would travel directly back to the Ruhr area" can be interpreted in the original as either Reyna prefers to do it that way, which means he'd have told the team he wants to do it that way; or that the way things have shaped up with the Japan game cancelled, it just became more convenient for him by chance. The second interpretation seems much more likely.
He is done at BVB. You could see this coming when he was loaned, even before he did poorly at NF. He is not improving and hasn't improved in 3-4 years. The guy needs a total reset. MLS is the likely landing spot, being that teams will over pay to have a national team player. But if Gio doesn't improve, he won't be a national team player.
Last season, Musah made 40 AC Milan appearances in Serie A, the CL, the EL and the Copa Italia, starting 22 of them Reyna made 24 appearances in BL1, the EPL, the CL and both cup competitions, starting just 4 of them. A quarter of those were garbage minute or cups of coffee substitutions. There is no universe where Reyna is currently a better player than Musah. A better talent, definitely, but as the saying goes, "the saddest thing in life is wasted talent. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't do the right thing, nothing happens."
The way I read the previous sentences, the implication is that Dortmund didn’t want him making the trip to Japan. But if you just read this sentence alone, you would come away thinking it was Reyna’s choice. From the full context I would lean toward your latter interpretation.
I don't know if his (or maybe Claudio's) ego would allow for it, but I don't think a rep-rehabbing loan to PSV a la Dest is a bad idea. He should look really good in the Dutch league, and he'll get UCL games to prove he can do it against better competition.
I definitely trust your insight on Dortmund we'll see how it plays out. If he doesn't stay at Dortmund I'd prefer a loan to a big fish small pond type team or a transfer to a mid table/europa level team in Italy or Spain. France is no good because I don't think they are on any of the streaming platforms I pay for. . .
Except the universe where we get to watch them…in the same matches…and against the same opponents…and see the massive difference in quality.
This. I mean, the FIRST "ability" for any professional player is AVAILability. Per Transfermarkt: Musah's missed 70 days in 4 seasons. Reyna's missed 405 days in 5 seasons. Then, the next "ability" for someone working in a group setting is to respect your boss, your coworkers, and your firm's customers. Reyna's disrespected his peers, almost getting sent home from the WC, has had a run-in with a national team coach that likes and selects him, and he stoopidly disrespected BVB with his stoopid post. Both of these "abilities" take ZERO talent. But, they have to be in evidence, before one can show the world one's talent. I fully agree that Reyna may have more talent/more ability than Musah. But Musah is the better PLAYER than Reyna, because of all the things that take ZERO talent. In turn, Transfermarkt has Musah's value > Reyna's, even though the latter has been paid to watch games for a year longer than Musah's been playing in them. [shrugs]
I think that PSV is probably above his level right now given his loan to Forest and what we saw there. Reyna hasn't played well for nearly 4 years. He will not be attractive to someone like PSV.