The Youth Thread | U18s, U21s, Next Gen Series

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Fitzgerald#11, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Craig Eastmond was an in-between kid . . . Frimpong was an in-between kid . . . Henri Lansbury was an in-between kid . . . and so on

    The in-between kids are stopgaps, at best. It's a numbers game. Most simply aren't good enough.
     
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  2. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    No, those are the same as Hutchinson, Walters, Cozier-Duberry, Chido Martin, Heaven, etc.

    Lewis-Skelly and Nwaneri already look like Bellerin/Iwobi level starters and have the potential to be Saka or Cesc level stars.

    By in-between I'm talking about Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Reiss Nelson, Joe Willock, Eddie Nketiah types. Squad players that were never really starters but filled out the squad and would have played against Girona or come off the bench in the league. Instead Sterling is playing and making 10x what a 19-22yo academy product would be making.
     
  3. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough, and I see your point, we seem to have run out of those types.
     
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  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Development is hard and scales differently. It's incredibly unusual for a 17-18 year old to be able to play meaningful minutes in the Premier League, and it only happens when the player looks like a future star or when the team is super desperate (e.g., Kobbe Mainoo).

    Most players that are good enough to play in the PL and get meaningful minutes usually don't start playing until 19-21.

    The flip side is that if an academy player isn't playing first team minutes by 21 (even if on loan somewhere else), it's highly unlikely that they make it at Arsenal.
     
  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think this is a fair point, and it is an issue, but those players only play meaningful minutes if something has gone very wrong.
     
  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    Do u remember how poor those players were?
    We just need a stronger squad with a mix of elite talent

    which we seem to be producing now
     
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  7. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maldini Kaccuri to Bromley on loan for the remainder of the season
     
  8. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I frankly don't recall either way, but is Arteta having top youth/academy players (MLS, Nwanieri, Dowmann, etc.) regularly training with the first team a relatively new trend at this club?

    If it's ~new, then I wonder if this is part of the reason why there is better impact now. The kids are able to build up their technical, tactical, and mental abilities at a faster and more meaningful rate. The exposure also allows Arteta to directly assess and build a foundation of trust in them.

    To be sure, the kids need to be "good enough," but these other factors may explain why we seems to be getting more recent production from the Academy.
     
  9. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
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  10. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Kids Fcuking massive
     
  11. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
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  12. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
  13. cooper7d7

    cooper7d7 Member+

    Feb 7, 2001
    CT
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Guess sitting them on the bench and a few 'garbage time' minutes didn't seal the deal.
     
  14. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  15. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    He went crazy that tournament

    Sadly England got knocked out in the group stage by a late goal
     
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  16. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of them are good enough for Arsenal, so they’re moving on.
     
  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Kind of feel for these guys, but they should have moved on a while ago.

    We also need to do a better job of getting loans for some of these players. Nathan Butler-Oyedeji is 22, and has gotten two sub appearances at Arsenal and 25-odd games in League One. Apparently he didn't score a single goal in League One, which is unfortunate.
     
  18. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Playing for the u21s and training at London Colney, occasionally with Arteta and the first team, might be better for his development than going on loan for a League Two club that probably doesn't have the greatest training facilities.
     
  19. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    At 18-19 sure. But a 21 year old needs to play.
     
  20. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wondering how other club fans and racists will somehow make this another issue to critique
     

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