The Youth Thread | U18s, U21s, Next Gen Series

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Fitzgerald#11, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, that ship sailed. The Dickens Cider thread and OT forum have been dead for years now. But I do miss those old English bastards that used to roam these boards.

    Nowadays we've just had to develop/exercise our tune-out-filters more and more, just like I figure the folks on Twitter have had to do in recent years. Proud to say I never signed up in that swamp, even before it took a big wrong turn.

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  2. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Interesting new approach to loans. Looking at last season, 14 youth players went out on loan in the fall. After the January window, that number swelled to 17.

    Right now, I count two youth players on loan. Charles Sagoe, Jr is at Shrewsbury Town in League One. And Jack Henry-Francis is at Sligo Rovers in Ireland.

    Feels like a decision has been made that most of these loans are not productive and they are better off playing u21 in PL2.
     
  3. cooper7d7

    cooper7d7 Member+

    Feb 7, 2001
    CT
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It feels like the youth were culled, so maybe there isn't a need for loans in the hope they get time.
     
  4. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Doesn’t the domestic loan window end Sept 30? (PL teams use it to loan to lower leagues)
     
  5. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    I do think that is part of it, a lot of the loaned players are now gone. There are a handful - Salah, Butler-Oyedeji, Monlouis, Edwards - who went on loan last season and did not this fall. Maybe just holding off until January.

    I don't know what the deadline is, looking at last year's thread I posted on the 11th and had most of the loans accounted for.
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/2023-24-arsenal-players-on-loan.2127545/
     
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  6. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
     
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  7. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He training with first team as well isn’t he?
     
  8. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
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  9. Deno

    Deno Member

    May 16, 2021
    A bit of a niche question but reports have said before moving to United, Chido signed a scholarship early at 14 at Arsenal but has left as a free agent and Man United are only due to pay compensation.

    Does anyone here know how that works, in regards to signing a scholarship early at 14 and somehow managing to leave as a free agent? Surely, it means the registration goes from 14 to 18? Can I have some clarity please?
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Youth fees associated with signing a youth deal, I believe.

    it’s standard iirc
     
  11. Deno

    Deno Member

    May 16, 2021
    Thanks mate. Another question I have is if a player wants to cancel his scholarship contract, can the club stop him from doing so? Can a club forcefully keep a player under their registration even if that player wants to leave or cancel their contract?
     
  12. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Great question. I imagine they would let the player go.
     
  13. Deno

    Deno Member

    May 16, 2021
    Thanks, One more question…

    If a player’s 17th birthday is outside the transfer windows (June to August or the whole of January) and he’s already signed a scholarship at one club but wants to move to another club on a professional deal outside the transfer window, could that deal happen then and have there been cases of that ever? Would the deal have to happen when the transfer window is open?
     
  14. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I think it happens all the time as long as they haven’t signed a pro contract.
     
  15. Deno

    Deno Member

    May 16, 2021
    Any examples if you can think of any?
     
  16. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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