The Youth Thread | U18s, U21s, Next Gen Series

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Fitzgerald#11, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Freddy Adu seems like a pretty clear cut case of burnout, no? Played a ton before he turned 20, and then barely played after that? That can't be the norm for a phenom.
     
  2. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    To stand any chance of graduating from academy football to a top European side’s first team, young players need to be gifted both athletically and technically. A player whose physical development occurs earlier than his peers can flatter to deceive. His peers may catch up with him as they get stronger and faster. Most of us probably remember Yaya Sanogo, who was a prime example of someone who excelled in the youth ranks because he was bigger and stronger than his peers, but never had the technical skill to succeed at Arsenal. Admittedly I haven’t seen more than a couple of highlights of Chido Martin, but his dominance at the youth level suggests he might be in this category. United have gambled on his technical development.

    Based on the video in the link that maskito provided, Dowman already appears to have a very good skill set. The question for him is whether his physical development, as he ages, will allow him to compete with grown men. With limited information, given a choice of which one to keep I would choose the more technical player.
     
  3. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    He was introduced at Genoa today. He gone.

    He wasn’t right for us, but he is going to have a good career for a decent sized club, imo.
     
  4. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    While true, Dowman is playing up two age groups to see if he has that.
     
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  5. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I’m not saying he will make it or won’t. Just that Dowman is playing up two age groups.
     
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  6. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, and a pretty satisfying deal for Arsenal if the rumored sell-on is true.
     
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  7. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    No Nwaneri in the u21 squad suggests he's in the senior squad vs Wolves

     
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  8. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Random, out of left field theory: Could Nwaneri possibly be responsible for the delay in the Merino transfer? If Arteta believes Nwaneri is ready to get minutes at the left 8 on a rotational basis, buying Merino would block those minutes. On the ball he may already be Merino’s equal, so the question would become Arteta’s evaluation of his off the ball work.
     
  9. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    I doubt jt
     
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  10. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    #1285 casoccerdad47, Aug 16, 2024
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    So do I, but the Merino transfer has dragged on for so long I offered a wild theory. If Wenger were still in charge I’d give my theory a little more credence, but with Arteta there is probably a less than 1% chance that’s the reason the transfer is taking so long.
     
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  11. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
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    --other--
    I think all Arsenal transfers take long because that’s what we do, lol.
     
  12. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Merino was dropped from the match day squad, he is definitely on his way.

    And this year we aren't the only team making slow/no transfers.
     
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  13. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The euros and copa mess everything up

    it takes 3 weeks of negotiating / tapping up away
     
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  14. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Arsenal FC
    Transfers are more like complex m&a deals, and those things take time.
     
  15. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Deals get done on deadline day in a matter of hours, it doesn't take this long.

    If the fee ends up near the €35m that Sociedad want, my guess is Arsenal spent 3 weeks trying to find a better alternative and gave up.
     
  16. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Deadline day both teams are desperate

    merino won the euros and is an important player for sociadad
     
  17. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Due diligence....yawn. Easy hours though, as a newbie associate back in the day if you got roped into one of those types of doc reviews.
    :D
     
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  18. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
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    Sadly, those days are long gone. Stuff that’s expected of 1st years nowadays is nuts.
     
  19. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like actual responsibility? I'm curious. We'll get 3rd years interning some times for us, and they don't know jack. I shudder to think of them getting real responsibility as a first year associate.
     
  20. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It varies by firm and practice, but when I was a first year (and this was a while ago now), I basically had to draft and shepherd three MSJs over the line in a little over a month, then had to put together fairly complex trial direct testimony, and then had to prep those witnesses for cross.

    The days where you'd have associates do nothing but doc review for three years are long gone.

    Assuming that, by third years you mean 3Ls, and you're right - they really don't know anything. But motivated first year associates can learn a lot really, really fast - the combination of lots of caffeine, long hours, and not having a life can do wonders for one's career.
     
  21. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You two are some miserable fvcks, you know that?
     
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  22. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Arsenal FC
    Nah. Yoss realized how terrible it was and got out, so he’s cool.
     
  23. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Northbank: can u two clever bastards do this in the allocated lawyer thread?
     
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  24. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good to know. I left my first job at big mega firm after two years because I wasn't getting the litigation experience I wanted (although I did do a lot of motions drafting). Went to medium size mega firm and immediately got thrown into depos, trial prep, even appellate work. And that firm was better about giving first years more responsibility----but I'm not sure it was as much as you describe.

    True. And while I miss some aspects of litigation. I don't miss big firm life.

    And yeah, I'll stop now-----although these posts were technically about youth. :D
     
  25. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, we're much worse.
    :p
     

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