The YBTD Pro/Rel Thread, Part 9,614

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by barroldinho, Aug 31, 2015.

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Should some type of Promotion and Relegation be introduced to MLS?

  1. Yes

    30.6%
  2. No

    69.4%
  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well now we have the Championship, League One and League Two everything is set up for pro/rel to begin eh? What are we waiting for?

    :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

    Next step, USL could introduce promotion and relegation places without actually promoting or relegating anyone.

    Baby steps.
     
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  2. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Party like it's 1999. (Or was it 1998?)
     
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  3. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I've just realised that I haven't expressed this since the announcement:

    The EFL names are bloody stupid and it makes me facepalm with a force that would do Muhammad Ali proud, that a US league has adopted them.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Right?!?!

    They are a historical anomaly as to why they exist in England.

    JUST TRANSLATE THE BLOODY FRENCH OR ITALIAN SYSTEMS!

    USL(eague) One/A
    USL(eague) Two/B
    USL(eague) Three/C

    Simple. Obvious.

    Why are people lauding this as a positive development?! I realize this is probably intended simply to obfuscate the fact that D3 is two notches below MLS and PDL isn't even on the same map (#PathToPro, y'all!), but that should only appeal to the unwashed masses.
     
  5. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    I am standing and loudly applauding this post, tears streaming down my face. Is there an emoji for that?
     
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  6. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Sigh. You mean the target audience of spectator sports.

    Did you read Peter Wilt's recent article in the Athletic about promoting a new semi-pro team in Madison? It was all about involving your audiences - and he hinted that those audiences pretty overwhelmingly wanted a phony "Euro FC" kinda name.

    Cue that facepalm haymaker.
     
  7. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    And of course, England used to use Divisions 1-4. That only changed when the Premier League broke away, leaving the FL with three divisions.

    I'm not even sure what motivated them to start calling the second tier "the Championship". It feels like an unnecessary and unsuccessful attempt to lend added gravitas to their highest tier.
     
  8. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Ah yes. Another pet peeve. The griping over team names.

    It is virtually impossible to select a name for a US soccer team that will satisfy everyone.

    Except perhaps, the Rochester Raging Rhinos and Club Internacional De Futbol Miami. Those are both awesome. Sadly Rochester dropped the "Raging" and everyone is just going to refer to the Miami team as "Inter Miami".
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I don't really care about names except in cases (as I have already documented) where WORDZZZ R INTENTIONALLY MISSPELLED TO KONNEKT WIF DA YOUF or whatever and/or "silly" minor league names if the team intends to be taken seriously. This one is a little more nuanced, for example:
    Acceptable names:
    1. Savannah Bananas
    2. Macon Bacon
    3. Hartford Yard Goats
    4. Binghamton Rumble Ponies
    These are all AA or lower teams that have no pretense (nor ability) to achieve a higher station in their sport.

    Unacceptable team names:
    1. San Diego Sockers
    2. Laredo Honey Badgers
    3. Florida Everblades
    4. Everett Aquasox
    I hope I don't really need to explain this.

    Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I'm actually fine with the phony Euro FC names. I mean, whatever! Madison A(F/S)C. It makes sense, says where they're from and allows the supporters to actually nickname the team whatever makes sense over time (the Reds! The Madmen! Dem Bums!).

    What doesn't make sense to me is trying to pass off being a semi-pro affiliate of MNUTD as "League One" as if it should be the top of the pile of anything.
     
  11. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Now I'm thinking about it, are there any truly great European football club names? Most seem pretty formal and descriptive.
     
  12. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Those are, indeed, stirringly beautiful.

    I just find FC nearly as annoying/phony/pretentious as those "Championship" and League One type misnomers.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've always liked Queen's Park Rangers (as a name, don't care one way or the other about the team)
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I think the Scottish PFL has the market cornered for good team names:
    1. Airdrieonians
    2. Celtic F.C.
    3. Hamilton Academical
    4. Heart of Midlothian
    5. Hibernian
    6. Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    7. Partick Thistle
    8. Queen of the South
    9. Rangers
     
  15. RedRover

    RedRover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 15, 2007
    Uh, HELLOOOO... NEW ORLEANS BABY CAKES?!! Why the eff isn't THAT abomination on the list, Ted?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    N.b. these lists are to be used as examples and should not be considered comprehensive. It's clear, however, that you understand the criteria and are capable of providing acceptable contributions.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes.

    Kind of like Canada calling their league "Premier."
     
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  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe because they're moving to Wichita?
     
  19. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And they aren't even particularly historical. Why haven't they stuck with league 2? Calling the third level One is idiotic.
     
  20. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, but in Canada, it is. kind of. I mean, the actual premier clubs are in MLS, but their tippy-top league is this one, right? Still, I'd prefer League 1 for the first league. Maybe something like League 2 for the second, and get all crazy with League 3 for the third. I used to play in a mutli-tiered league that tried to get around simplicity by using beer brands to confer status. The problem was that nobody could really agree. Is Guiness better than Pauli? Is Bud really not the lowest league? Is there an actual difference in quality between that and the MHLL?
     
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  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the 7th level leagues in England is called the "Northern Premier League Premier Division".
     
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  22. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    #SaveTheCakes
     
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  23. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Great Yarmouth Town (the crest on the right of my avatar) play in the Thurlow Nunn Eastern Counties Premier League, which is 9th tier.

    The Alliance Premier League was the former name of the top "non-league".

    The word "Premier" has been slapped onto entities almost as prolifically and superficially as the word "Trump".
     
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  24. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #takethecakesouttatherain
     
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  25. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    How dare you besmirch the names of the Ohio Xoggz and the Utah Blitzzzzz.

    I have a spreadsheet of USL/USISL team names in front of me.

    The best:

    Connecticut Wolves
    Cape Cod Crusaders
    Vermont Wanderers (alas, aka Voltage)
    Long Island Rough Riders
    Wilmington Hammerheads (sentimental reasons)
    Charleston Battery
    Lexington Bluegrass Bandits
    New Orleans Riverboat Gamblers

    The worst:

    Orange County Zodiac (later the slightly more acceptable waves, then the simply bizarre Blue Star)
    Montreal Impact (or l'Impact de Montreal)
    Syracuse Salty Dogs
    Atlanta Datagraphic Magic (I actually remember when Datagraphic was a famed regional amateur club, but still ...)
    Austin Sockadillos (ouch -- later the Lone Stars)
    California Victory
    Las Vegas Quicksilver
     
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