The WC 2022 thread

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by johnny6, Nov 23, 2022.

  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    With Canada I think it depends. They can catch up to the US for the simple fact that aside from Hockey, there are no other sports the dominate the cultural landscape. US soccer will always be behind in respect to the NFL, MLB and NBA for athletes and people’s attention.

    Canada did something right with the inception of the CPL. But already they made a huge blunder by putting the league behind a paywall. I will not pay One soccer a penny to watch the Hamilton Forge etc. Edmonton’s team already folded. Not a good sign.

    You cannot progress as a nation if you don’t have a good culture. And that comes with your domestic league. The CPL can improve on the MLS by leaving their system open, adding promotion and relegation etc. They have a lot of work to do
     
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  2. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Looks like Australia are trying a play out of the Claudio Gentile playbook (on Maradona 82) with Baccus “marking” Messi
     
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  3. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Took Baccus minutes to do a Pepe on Messi

    Body check leading with elbow and knee .

    Not even a yellow when it was clearly intentional!
     
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  4. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
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    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Australia parking the bus almost immediately, pathetic, i hate when these shit teams do this. Another reason why team expansions are a bad idea for upcoming tournaments
     
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  5. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    SSC Napoli
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    Italy
    They don’t really have a choice. Unless they want to get ripped to shreds
     
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  6. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Not only is this the WC but it's the knockout stages, either play or gtfo. If you have to defend for 90 minutes you have absolutely zero reason to be in this tournament, play the game.
     
  7. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Now the retardedroos HAVE to play, let's see what happens
     
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  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Just curious, do you really think adding promotion and relegation for the CPL or MLS will improve players and teams?
     
  9. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yes
     
  10. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #285 falvo, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    I don't think so at all and it’s an outdated 19 century mentality.

    I think many clubs in Europe are hindered by getting relegated as they sell off players and simply implode.

    It's not like you can improve from one year to the next and go worst to first.

    Most clubs after being relegated have to start all over again.

    Palermo was sold for €10 Euro and ended up in the 4th division and then stayed in the Serie C for a few years and only now got back to the Serie B where they are struggling.

    They could easily get relegated again so I don't see how that helps a team or caliber of play or an individual player or a given national team , for that matter.

    The only teams I know in Italy anyway , who got better after going down was Milan and Juventus.

    Both cases was due to a scandal Totonero and calciopoli.

    Milan won right away but only because Berlusconi bought them and Juventus will always win.

    Also, just because they do it everywhere else doesn't mean it will work in North America where there is a different approach to sports.

    If anything, most club owners would probably end up folding their teams to avoid huge financial losses.
     
  11. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Aussie Rules :(
     
  12. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don’t want to devolve the thread further into talking about MLS, but you’re talking about financial viability and I’m talking about what system produces better talent. If you can’t see why a closed pyramid system cannot compete with an open one, it’s best we don’t continue this conversation
     
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  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm talking about improving a player in the league or in the national team.

    I don't see how promotion and relegation does this.

    It literally makes no sense.

    Forget about MLS but look at Italy and tell me how relegation has improved players or the national team for that matter?

    I am Italian and lived in Italy and worked at Fiorentina when they were relegated to the C2 and I'm telling you it didn't help the team or the players.

    The only thing that helped was when Adriano Galliano graced them a division so they skipped the C1 , got promoted to the B and then owner Diego Della Valle came in bought whole new bunch of players (Luca Toni for starters ) and got them promoted back to the Serie A.

    Hardly any players from their C2 team were left when they went back the Serie A other than Angelo DiLivio who was kept on the benched out of loyalty.
     
  14. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Italy is a great example. Without promotion and relegation we prob never discover Giovanni Di Lorenzo and maybe don’t win the Euros

    Without helping Palermo up to Serie A .. maybe Luca Toni never gets to Serie A
     
  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #290 falvo, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    Yes Luca Toni scored 30 goals in Serie B in 2003-2004 but he was bought from Carlo Mazzone's Brescia.

    Palermo only came up to the Serie A because Maurizio Zamparini bought the club from Franco Sensi as well as a slew of good players.

    He bought Gianluca Berti from Empoli , Giuseppe Biava from AlbinoLeffe , Fabio Grosso from Perugia, Emanuele Filippini from Parma and Luca Toni from Brescia.

    Without his money and those players, they will have never made it with the players they had militating in the Serie C & B.
     
  16. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Because every game matters for every team in the table not just in the top tier, but for every subsequent one. The teams with the good players and projects get promoted. The teams with the bad players and projects get demoted. The games that involve relegation battles are just as tight and pressure filled as the race for the scudetto. This life and death environment breeds more intensity and by consequence better players and competition.

    In the MLS, the teams that are not playoff bound go on auto pilot. Many games become meaningless because there is a “regular season”. The teams that are bad get rewarded with “draft picks”. I can go on. Zlatan buried the MLS for similar reasons.

    Then the best talents of the MLS get bought from European clubs. You’re left with lesser talents and older European players who are looking for a final pay day.

    That’s the last I say on this. If you want to talk MLS, this isn’t the thread or the forum
     
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  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #292 falvo, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    Why is it such a taboo to talk about MLS when you brought it up initially?

    First of all, if you live in North America, you know it will never come to fruition because clubs and leagues don't believe it in and owners won't invest in a sinking ship.

    Secondly, it's apples and oranges.

    I lived in Italy and in Europe and am Italian and I'm telling you that aside from the fact it will never happen, what works there, won't work here.

    Non lo dico per iniziare una discussione oppure avere un argomento , dico solo che questo concetto non funzionerà mai in un campionato nordamericano.

    Fra l'altro, non accadrà ne ora ne mai.....

    Scordatelo!
     
  18. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Canada atleast qualified.

    They would kill Italy at hockey as well
     
  19. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Dang Australia scored off of a bad deflection, not sure if that'll just piss off Argentina now
     
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  20. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
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    AC Milan
    If it wasn't for the retard goalie, it would be 1-1
     
  21. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Kangaroos look good now. Nearly tied it
     
  22. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Italy looked helped against Argentina.
    Figc should hire Aussies coach??
     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Aussies seem like they got a good team.
     
  24. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Why is Dybala not playing?
     
  25. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Scaloni needs a dm..dybala is use to it.
     

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