The USSF White Paper? The beginning of change or lots more of nothing?

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  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    So US Soccer put out a "white paper" today on the future of college soccer.

    You can read it here. Please at least skim it, or find an executive summary (The Athletic has a decent one, albeit behind a pay wall) before chiming in.

    https://www.ussoccer.com/collegesoccer
     
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  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Just for one, make this a drinking game and take a swig every time the white paper says "ecosystem" and then come and post your thoughts here!
     
  3. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Thanks Sandon. I quickly scanned the "report".

    Let me summarize for NCAA men.
    4 clusters across the country (West, Midwest, South East and North East) composed of approx 50 teams
    In each cluster,
    • 2 regional divisions of 9 teams each.
    • The remaining teams would be divided into 4 local divisions of about 9 teams.
    • Note. Each of the clusters and regional/local divisions may not be exactly equal because of geographic school numbers.

    Going to a year round schedule.

    Elimination of conference except where they geographically fit into the new organization. Then, they could have conference champions. I'm thinking maybe MAAC, BS or WCC....

    64 National team tournament, Each cluster would send 16 teams.
    Elimination of RPI.

    An odd statement about mid-year professional migration restriction. Seems like a college fantasy wish.

    Assertion that reduction of cost (by minimizing travel) by going to cluster.
     
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  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    This paper comes out and states what many in college soccer have been in denial about for a long time: That without a way to make the sport more commercially viable - ie create revenue - it's gonna go away. The days of living off the largesse and welfare provided by the revenue-generating sports are over because said revenue-generators need to keep their revenue to pay players and coaches and build bigger and better facilities.

    The writing has been on the wall for a long time and a lot of folks have ignored it. Can't do that anymore. Indiana has gotten a taste of the big-time college football catnip and it isn't gonna want to waste money in soccer if it can use that cash to get more and better football catnip. And if it can happen at Indiana - and it can - it can happen at Virginia, Maryland, Georgetown, UConn, Stanford, UCLA and SMU, too.

    In academia they use to have publish or perish in regards to tenure. Well, in college sports now they have profit or perish. Time for the college game to get real about it.

    The folks who wrote this report think these changes will help college soccer generate revenue. I think the changes will help, but I'm skeptical it will be enough revenue to keep the sport in the black.
     
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  5. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Positive soccer revenue only exists for what 10-20 pro clubs?

    Not sure this truly would solve anything, they can’t even fix it with the billionaires at the top of the pro realm.

    No one wants to address what would help it on the college side: cut costs.
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I find it highly ironic that the men's college soccer coach that was on the committee who wrote the paper was Ray Reid, the same guy could never be bothered to promote his program by announcing his recruits, jeopardized the career of his best player by selfishly advocating for him to not turn pro and generally used international players because he claimed there wasn't good talent in New England despite evidence to the contrary.

    Like, this is the guy who is speaking on behalf of men's college soccer?
     
  7. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    fully agree. Ray Reid was a full bore asshole.

    I think UMD's Sasho got his voice heard with the UMD Pres Daryll Pines (father of former player Donovan Pines). Both of the Pines parents can be seen at soccer games even after Donny graduated....

    I also agree with Sandon's analysis that this won't necessarily save the sport given the limiting general funds, athletic funds for NIL and constrained student activity fees.
     
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  8. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ESPN write-up: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/46615055/us-soccer-stretch-men-ncaa-season-full-academic-year

    I think there is a decent chance soccer moves to a "year-round" schedule.

    Unfortunately, I doubt D1 will be reorganized into 4 regions with internal pro-rel. The conferences have too much power. However, there are only 2 major conferences in men's soccer (ACC & BIG10). Those are the biggest barriers to a reorganization because they have large media deals that require content. It's not hard to imagine work-arounds that would still provide soccer content despite killing the conference schedule. However, the easy answer is for the conferences and rights holders to just say no, and I don't think any of these actors feel enough urgency to do any hard work for men's soccer.
     
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  9. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another barrier to the reorganization is the geographic distribution of D1 men's soccer programs. Specifically, there aren't enough programs in the West and programs in the Plains are spread too thin to achieve USSoccer's goal of geographic continuity with only 4 regions.

    Thus, I'd advocate for 5 regions: West, Southeast, Mid-Atlantic, Northeast, and Great Lakes (see chart below).

    -The West would have 33 teams arranged into 1 upper (1A) division with 13 teams and two lower divisions (1AA) with 10 teams each.
    -All other regions would have 43-46 teams with 1 upper division of 13 teams and 3 lower divisions with 10-11 teams each.

    For the NCAA tournament, the top 10 teams in each upper division go to the tournament (50 teams). The winner of each lower division advance to the tournament (14 teams; 64 total)

    For pro/rel, the top team in each lower division promotes, and the bottom 3 teams (2 for the West) in each upper division are relegated.

    D1 Soccer.jpg
     
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  10. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The above chart includes rankings/records CAO 30OCT25.

    Looking at my regions I have the following thoughts:

    West: UCLA, and Denver make the top division due to SOS (Denver's schedule is crazy). However, I would be fully supportive of UCLA getting dropped for Utah Valley…really they probably should be dropped, but typing this explanation is more fun than copy-and-pasting a bunch of Excel cells.
    Southeast: By far the most competitive top division. There are 15 teams in the Southeast that are in the top ~40 or so of NCAA D1 men's soccer. North Florida and Wake were my odd-men out, but there are also several other teams that could be top division teams in another geographic grouping.
    Northeast: Eww, just Eww. This has the bulk of the teams from the two worst conferences (NEC & MAAC) and it really shows. Clearly there are a few great teams, but it's a stretch to find 13 good teams. You could probably sub Fordham, UMASS, BU or St Johns for some of the top division teams, but you're just subbing mid for mid. The respectability of the Northeast's top division really relies on some mid Big East teams continuing to be decent.
    Mid-Atlantic: You could sub Bucknell, Lehigh, Mason or VCU for American (or even Liberty, but I'm giving them credit for a good record). However, generally speaking there is a huge drop-off between the top and lower divisions here. The Virginia group of schools constitutes by far the weakest lower-division conference, with 6 teams sitting on 2 or fewer wins.
    Great Lakes: This is the most interesting region for me. Advanced metrics suggest a lot of the top teams aren't as good as their records, and you have a lot of blue-bloods / major conference teams that are suffering down years, potentially relegating them to the lower divisions. This probably should be the most competitive grouping, and there could be some grueling promotion fights if a few teams improve in the next few years.
     
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  12. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    And has for years.
     
  13. collegesoccer

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    Apr 11, 2005
  14. VASoccer75

    VASoccer75 Member

    Oct 28, 2015
    I fear this will mean the end for alot of men's soccer programs - fallout that benefits the haves a lot more than the have nots
     
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  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is it. I imagine minimum 10 programs cut in first 12-18 months from now.

    No doubt it could be much more than that.
     
  16. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    A lot of these programs shouldn't be in D-I to begin with. D-II was created for a reason but a lot of these schools thought it wasn't glamorous enough and moved to D-I.

    I don't want to see any kid lose his team or any coach lose a job. But for college soccer to have any shot at relevancy, the bigger programs need to break away and play this new schedule and play more games against each other. Maybe we can create an FCS style second tier in soccer for teams that don't want to go to 2 semesters.
     
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  17. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be nice to see NCAA members bring back the ability to re-classify programs in a different division to maintain programs. I’m in favor of that.
     
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  18. SammyP

    SammyP Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    It should be noted that be approved by the oversight committee doesn't mean this is completely finalized (despite the way articles are written). The D1 cabinet will vote on it late June
     
  19. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    By my count, there are 68 schools that have both D-I men's soccer and lacrosse. I'm curious how many of these colleges that have both teams have to share stadiums.

    I know Virginia does. And lacrosse is a big deal at Virginia. At the same time, the stadium was built for the soccer team and BY the (then) soccer coach. (Hard not to laugh at the notion of Bruce Arena making fundraising calls.) But they're gonna have to share. Same with Duke.

    By contrast, Notre Dame has separate facilities for soccer and lacrosse. Syracuse lacrosse plays at the Carrier (what it will always be called in my mind) Dome so they don't have this problem.

    This will obviously be a problem for some schools once The Switch is made. But it's pretty clear that it's only gonna be an issue for a minority of the men's soccer programs. Granted, stadia aren't the only congestion issues. Trainers, SIDs, marketing, etc... will force some needed changes at all 68 schools that have both lax and footie and some added staff may be needed.

    It will be interesting to see how these teams manage this and how many schools end up building either a new soccer or lacrosse stadium as a result of this going forward.
     
  20. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    Hopefully they will start a Division 1A for the Ivies, Patriot, MAAC, NEC, etc. I can't see the Ivies going 2-semester.
     
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  21. VASoccer75

    VASoccer75 Member

    Oct 28, 2015
    I wonder if coaches at schools like this would even stick around? It doesnt really fit the facility resources they have or the academic profile of those types of schools. Just a thought
     
  22. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to go ahead and squash a rumor before it moves over from X and Reddit.

    This isn't a case of major conference schools forcing a change down the throats of small schools.

    Only 4 of the 15 members on the NCAA D1 Men's Soccer Oversight Committee are from major "autonomous" conferences.
     

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  23. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Sandon - Is it really only an issue for those schools have Lax and Soccer?

    I spoke to a University president about year long soccer. As you point out above, the resource constraint (trainers, SID, marketing) will increase expenses. There is a general cash crunch for many universities.

    I don't portend to know how this will all shake out. I like the idea of 2 semester soccer, but I surmise that this will make seeing more teams even more difficult because schools will schedule for either Friday/Saturday but probably fewer midweek matches...
     
  24. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    From an outsider, this is amusing. We hear all the moaning from sports other than football and basketball about budgets being cut and sacrifices of programs and budgets so the schools can pay their football players. And then this happens where there can be no doubt that the teams who will play under this model will have their expenses multiplied. It's almost like government...
     
  25. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canisius has a facility with soccer, baseball, lacrosse, and softball.

    Might have some logistical nightmares there.
     
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