The USMNT 26-man roster for World Cup 2022 announced p80 #1991

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  1. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Here is an analysis of Vazquez that argues that he may be benefiting from a creative 10 and striker partner at Cincinnati, which won’t be there for the national team. Given whose analysis this is, there’s probably a pretty good chance that it won’t be addressed on the merits here by Vazquez defenders. But I thought it was a relevant point. It will be interesting to see how he does in the Gregg system. I certainly like his game in MLS, but we do leave strikers alone on an island on the national team.
     
  2. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think that Lucho is the one feeding Vasquez those passes? Most of his goals, have come off crosses from the wings. He'll be playing with Pulisic, Weah, Musah and one of Reyna/Brenden/Luca.
     
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  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Did you listen?
     
  4. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Listen to what?
     
  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    are you being serious? Never mind then.
     
  6. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    There's no link.
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    are you being serious? Never mind then.
     
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  8. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hahaha
     
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  9. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Is the link to the youtube file in my original post not showing up for everyone as it is for me?
     
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  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    The YouTube file I referenced and linked in my post.
     
  11. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Not sure why it doesn’t show up for others as it does for me. I will try again.



    Can you see it now?
     
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  12. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I listened to this already. People should stop listening, after Pete says that he's only seen 1 of his games.o_O
     
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  13. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Called it
     
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  14. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What?
     
  15. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Ad hominem response that doesn’t address the underlying points about the differences in the striker roles (club v Nats) being made in the vid
     
  16. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if Tact has seen more than 1 of Cinci's games but Pete is not qualified, to really say anything about Vasquez.

    I listened to the whole thing, before this video came out. Our 9, is a position that we desperately need to fill. Give Vasquez a call up, then we can talk about whether or not he's good enough.
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it really an ad hominem attack to not take someone's analysis seriously when they evaluate a player after having seen only one of his games?
     
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  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The level of passive-aggressive shit you put out there is ridiculous. Are there even "Vazquez Defenders"? It seems to be a bunch of people who would like to see him.

    As for their "analysis," there's some elements that are valid, but there are some elements that are severely flawed:
    • He says Vazquez hasn't done this before and is just on a hot streak. This has been repeatedly debunked -- it's obvious Pete is saying that simply because he hasn't watched him
    • He mentions a poor touch; Vazquez' touch isn't some strong point, but it's not poor. Their analysis of Vazquez game was off point.
    • I don't think the argument over cohesion versus keep trying new not clearly better option is poor, but IIRC these folks were big Haji Wright fans
    • Brenden Aaronson is 50/50 to hold up the ball -- what are you smoking? Just stop. Brenden Aaronson as a 9 is a weird, weird, weird ask. Reyna I get. But Aaronson? Can someone put together a more compelling argument here?
    Vazquez does have Lucho Acosta behind him, but Brenner's emergence came after Vazquez was even good -- I think it is far more likely Brenner is playing off Vazquez than vice versa.

    And I agree, I'm not a fan of playing the hot hand.

    And yes, it's MLS. So it's absolutely a question of whether his skills elevate. But that's why you bring someone in.

    Vazquez profile is better than Wright's when he was called in, IMO. It's not a slam dunk, but there's something there, IMO.
     
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  19. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pete & Tact: We don't have anyone that can score against teams that are better than Granada but that doesn't mean that NOW is the time to experiment with another in-form striker.:rolleyes:
     
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  20. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're going to the World Cup, with a False 9 that plays in MLS. It's not going to be pretty.
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I'm actually pretty sympathetic to the idea that Vazquez is probably no better than the mob, and that we should just be looking to optimize our current strikers or possibly look at Morris/Weah or Reyna.

    But their analysis of Vazquez' game was off base, and most of the reasons felt weirdly manufactured. I think Tactical Manager was by far more sane; I don't really get the idea that Brenden Aaronson is a more likely hold up guy than Brandon Vazquez.

    If I want a poacher who doesn't fit well otherwise, I've got Pefok. What intrigues me about Vazquez is that he actually has a pretty well rounded game -- as Pete notes, Berhalter asks a lot of his striker, but he misses the mark by painting Vazquez as a lumbering, lucky oaf.

    It's worth it to see if his level is high enough, IMO. Everyone seems to forget that you can bring him to camp and then go from there.
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's not the strength of our team, but Jesus Ferreira is a young, rapidly improving MVP candidate in a rapidly improving MLS.

    He's got weaknesses, notably size and strength, but I think people are overly dismissive of his abilities because he's not a traditional striker.

    Also, the dude is 2 years young than Vazquez and close to 3 years younger than Wright. He's only three months older than Hoppe who people still seem to expect to explode.

    Of course you look for other options, and of course our strength is elsewhere, but I think Ferreira may end up surprising some people.
     
  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I am looking forward to seeing if Vasquez can inject a little life into that position. We have to keep trying to find someone who can, or chaange the formation somehow. Otherwise it seems like a bad choice to put Reyna or Brenden or Weah on the bench for someone who is out there just to press.

    P.S. And I apologize for my poor linking skills and snarkyness.
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Ferreira made the right decision to stay in MLS for the 2022 season in order to make a push for Qatar. He did have European interest according to Dallas insiders.

    When it comes to Vasquez, its simple. Call him up and find out if he's good enough.

    Right now the status quo probably remains from the last qualifying window. Ferreira, Pepi, Pefok until somebody knocks one of them out.
     
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  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All we're trying do is get Vazquez on the plane to Europe for September. And then it's a question of whether his game translates or not.
     
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