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  1. yossarian

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    Yeah, I've heard of that school. :p

    Actually, the application process starts during the first part of your 2L year with interviews usually being wrapped up in late winter or early spring. And then often, but not always, you'll start applying for a SCOTUS clerkship your third year, despite the fact that you haven't even set foot in your circuit judge's chambers yet. Certain circuit court judges are well known as feeder judges in that the SC justices rely on them to pick the best of the best and then will mostly only consider clerks from those judges.

    Supreme Court jurisdiction is a bit broader than that. Yes, most of the cases that get granted cert involve federal law, but you have to remember the vast majority of criminal cases, in which a constitutional right is at issue, are state cases. And thus, they weave their way through the state court systems before reaching SCOTUS. But you're absolutely right, federal clerks are the rule, state clerks the exception. Although Justice Thomas actually (for a while --- don't know if he still does) had a habit of taking clerks from State Supreme Courts or federal clerks from law schools outside the traditional top 10.

    I think you mean that clerks aren't allowed in conference, which is when the justices meet in private and take an initial vote on a case. That's also when the Chief usually will assign authorship. Clerks are often there during oral argument, which of course is also open to the public, and they sit in seats designated for them to the right side of the justices on the side of the courtroom.
     
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    Like isn't oral argument the most crucial time to be there? But I guess they also get the transcript.
     
  3. yossarian

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    Briefing is much more important. Oral argument can be helpful if the questions are on point. But sometimes oral argument can lead to red herrings as well.
     
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  4. rslfanboy

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    Like healthcare = broccoli?
     
  5. EvanJ

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    #4080 EvanJ, Nov 17, 2020
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    Thank you for saying how early students apply. Can judges decide well when students aren't even halfway through law school? I would think there would be times when a student's grades decline, they run out of money and drop out, or for any other reason don't graduate or make judges change their mind. Applying early also increases the rate at which judges could pick clerks and then die or retire before the clerks can start. Does Barrett have the clerks who RBG chose? Five of the current justices started in January, April, or October, so many changes don't happen in the summer when justices choose to retire. In terms of feeder judges, I would think that clerking for a chief judge or a judge who was there a long time would be good. Congress authorized 179 circuit judges excluding those with senior status. I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to name all 179 (minus vacancies), but SCOTUS justices might be able to name every chief judge. Circuits use the term "judge," which is different from SCOTUS using the term "justice." Do you know why SCOTUS has a different term?

    I didn't mean that all Supreme Court cases came from federal court. I meant that cases from state court will only be taken if there is a federal question.

    It could be easy to make an argument that sounds good in a vacuum but fails analogy questions that justices ask because cases make precedent. I skimmed a book that Scalia cowrote with Thomas or Kennedy (I forgot who) that had one page tips for attorneys arguing to the Supreme Court. It included telling attorneys not to say "good question" because the justices consider all of their questions good, not to say "I'll answer that later" because it sometimes doesn't get answered, and when asked an analogy question not to complain "that's not the situation." Nobody knows in advance how much of oral arguments will be answering questions, so I would expect that many attorney leave arguments with other things they wish they said. I would also think attorneys would sometimes discover that they would have prepared differently if they knew what questions the justices would ask and/or knew what the opposing attorney would say.
     
  6. yossarian

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    I suppose that's subjective as to whether they're "deciding well" at that point. But I'll say it's rare that one's grades decline significantly in your last two years. If anything some people might take a semester or two to learn how the law school exam game is played, and thus, their grades get better. But yeah, right or wrong, everyone in law school knows that for clerkship purposes, for the most part, your 1L grades make or break you.

    I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if ACB kept one or two of them on (at least initially) so she can hit the ground running. But that's entirely up to her. It's possible that she could've just poached some of her current clerks at the 7th Circuit and brought them along. That happens. One of my good friends in law school had a clerkship lined up with Breyer when he was on the 1st Circuit. Shortly before he was about to start, Breyer got appointed to SCOTUS. But of course, Breyer got one of his fellow judges on the 1st to give my buddy a clerkship and then told him that in a year, he didn't even have to send him a resume, the SCOTUS clerkship was his, if he wanted it, which he did.

    Some times the feeder judges are chief judges, but not always. They're judges whose intellect/reputation are highly respected by the Justices. Silbermann was one, Kozinski (before his (cough) troubles was another), Boudin on the 1st (who my friend clerked for per Breyer), Posner and Diane Wood on the 7th, etc., etc.

    As for why SCOTUS judges are called justices, my understanding is that it's a holdover from English common law. That's what they called the absolute highest judicial officers to distinguish them from other judges. With the first judiciary act here, it just stuck.
     
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    I guess I love the theatre of it.

    One of my favourite moments of oral argument was when the full bench of the South African Supreme Court tore strips off Roux in the Pistorius murder appeal.

    To be fair, he took his licks like a silk would, but it was brutal when you are on the wrong side of the argument, and high powered legal brains decide to test your submissions!
     
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    Soooo... carrot Bunny:


     
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  10. JamesA

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    The current SCOTUS is so ********ed, its insane.

    The fact they can vote to support the certain slaughter of hundreds of people, in the name of religious freedom is ********inv asinine..

    That decision upsets me more than any stupid Trump decree the past 4 years, and I'm not even an American!
     
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  11. usscouse

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    It’s like a decision from the equivalent court in Iran.

    No other country in the Western Democratic sphere would even entertain this.
     
  12. superdave

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    The majority used Cuomo's public comments to help it reach its decision. This contradicted the precedent it set in the Muslim ban cases, where it decided Trump's public comments were not relevant for figuring out the motivation for the policy.

    They're partisan hacks, about as intellectually consistent as a national party chair.
     
  13. Yoshou

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    SCOTUS may be ducking a ruling on whether the Trump administration must count all residents of a state in the Census, or just the legal ones. The conservative Justices are doubting that the Trump administration can complete the tabulation of the Census by 12/31, which may result in the tabulation falling to the Biden administration and that since the Trump administration hasn't actually not counted illegal immigrants and the congressional appropriation hasn't been committed, the states can't show harm.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/census-supreme-court-oral-arguments/index.html
     
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  14. JamesA

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    SCOTUS have done it again.

    Basically ruling against California now, in a similar judgemeent to the one above against NYS. 5 to 4 again.
     
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  15. usscouse

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    The Supreme Court has launched a ‘holy war on science and reason’: NY attorney

    partial:
    Writing in The Daily Beast, Lurie looks at the court’s recent decision overturning some of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s restrictions on religious gatherings and finds that the conservative justices view all public health guidelines with deep suspicion.

    “The court majority’s unsigned ‘per curiam’ majority opinion, likely authored by Barrett, used relatively anodyne language; “The court majority’s unsigned ‘per curiam’ majority opinion, likely authored by Barrett, used relatively anodyne language; yet it made a startling claim, suggesting, without any evidence whatsoever, that Cuomo harbors anti-Semitic prejudice, and deliberately ‘gerrymandered’ the zones to target certain synagogues,” he notes.r, that Cuomo harbors anti-Semitic prejudice, and deliberately ‘gerrymandered’ the zones to target certain synagogues,” he notes.”


    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/th...a-holy-war-on-science-and-reason-ny-attorney/
     
  16. usscouse

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  17. diablodelsol

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    This doesn’t give me warm fuzzy feels

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    it really sucks no knowing whether or not you’re about to live through the death of democracy in the US.
     
  18. Yoshou

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    Another thing I saw was someone wishing that the SCOTUS takes a "stand" on the number of frivolous lawsuits being filed. They want the Court to not just dismiss the case, but also do the legal equivalent of a fisking and explain exactly why they won't be taking up the case and exactly what issues Texas's filing has. They basically want SCOTUS to tell Republicans and Trump to stop wasting the legal system's time and to accept that Trump lost.
     
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  19. Boandlkramer

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    It’s because they are fake theocrats, they’re really just power hungry trash
     
  20. Yoshou

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    SCOTUS rejects Texas's filing with Alito and Thomas dissenting.



    Alito and Thomas don't believe SCOTUS has the discretion to deny the filing of a case that falls within their original jurisdiction, which is odd, because I understand they reject them quite frequently.
     
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  21. usscouse

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    The legal term is ‘Convenient Dissent’
     
  22. usscouse

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    Most religious leader are.

    I need another Gulfstream G5.
     
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  23. usscouse

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    Yet 78% of trumpeters want them to decide the other way. Bless their twisted little minds.
     
  24. JohnR

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    Well now we know who the worst two Court members are. Thomas was a given. I had not realized, however, that Alioto was worse than both Brett and Amy.
     
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  25. Pønch

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    Si none of Trump's appointees went along with the Texas bullshit? I gotta say, imagining the level of temper tantrum that must have caused makes me smile.
     
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