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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Because that's a lie.

    Tell me if the new public charge rule applies to first-time migrants trying to enter the US? All you need to do is answer yes or no.

    Yes is the only correct answer, by the way.

    Then once you've answered that question, tell me: is it possible for first-time immigrants requesting visas to already be on public assistance? All you need to do is answer yes or no.

    You could have also read the news reports saying that if an immigrant was likely to need public assistance, the Trump administration could deny entry.

    Your lies are so easy to discredit, it is truly a wonder you continue to lie.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    Jul 23, 2004
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    I was just looking into this policy which seems very scummy

    So you are saying if they have used medicare or federal housing for instance, they will then be denied

    But those things are means tested effectively?
     
  3. dapip

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    What surprises me [lol] the most, is that ICs are the first to come in defense of the Trump administration policies. They may not like the guy, but they love his policies. No wonder they find it so difficult to save the country from the orange menace, because they were actually craving for what he's doing.
     
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  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Not what I'm saying, it's what the Washington Post, New York Times, POLITICO, and the Justice Department are saying.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yeah - sorry i am paywalled out of the main coverage

    But politico had your point that the policy could be pre-emptively applied against those "likely to use". So presumably that test will examine their finances.

     
  6. xtomx

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    Not Medicare, which is prepaid insurance, but Medicaid.
    SNAP
    Federal housing assistance.

    Yes, they are HEAVILY means tested. There are regular recertification processes for both.

    With housing there are often several levels of recertification. I work in this area quite a bit (usually representing seniors after they had lost their vouchers).

    I just helped my elderly mother with both a building -level and County-level recertification this month.

    They required two in-person interviews, 6 months of bank statements, her Social Security letter, lists of assets, even statements about her Medicare Supplement and prescription drug co-pays.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Pols is actually way better if you just ignore all the concern trolls who claim to one thing but are very concerned
    Thanks for the detail.

    I guess a lot of this stuff is all about creating procedures which they can now abuse with no oversight?

    On the basis of a test "likely to use" they can ask for proof of assets/income, and then set arbitrary standards. So in that sense, Brummie is correct that wealth/means is assessed
     
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  8. xtomx

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    If they are USING public assistance they lack the WEALTH to survive without it

    Hence, a wealth test.

    Pretty simple concept.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    But it can be applied to those who are merely "likely" to use it?

    ETA: Sorry - thought you were replying to me.

    Yes I agree.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    It works for Trump.
     
  11. stanger

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    They were all over 18 and going on their own.
     
  12. stanger

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    No question that qualification for Medicaid is difficult. I deal with it both professionally and personally.

    In addition to the initial qualification there are annual re-determinations that need to be done to continue to qualify, which is an issue for some of the homesless I assist due to ther not having a permanent address to receive notices. I sometimes use a church, pantry or other social assistance office address to enroll them in LIS, Extra Help or Medicaid.

    I do understand why the government would want to limit the influx of people that are unable to show the ability to provide for themselves and would immediately be using public help.

    It certainly isn't a perfect system.
     
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  13. VFish

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    It happens everywhere, even in Democratic Socialistic heavens like Scandinavia (and the Scandinavian's aren't really Democratic Socialists).

    And this policy is about getting a green card not a visa.
     
  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/supreme-court-enforce-trump-immigration-rule-106520

     
  15. superdave

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    Yesterday Trump had lawyers at the SC argue that Congress can't interfere with his presidential duties by subpoenaing his accountants, and he had lawyers in the Senate arguing they can't convict Trump
    Because he thinks it's amusing. Which is also why his childhood back yard is a gigantic ossuary for kittens.
     
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  16. HerthaBerwyn

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    Its the philosophy used to send German Jews back to Hitler.
     
  17. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    I recommend that Sen Schumer call his office
     
  18. marek

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    puts me in mind of the Real Madrid defense
    it was always obvious that Ramos was a thug, but there was a bigger thug, Pepe, that was even worse
    now that Pepe is gone, Ramos gets to strut his stuff solo

    Reid and Schumer work the same way
     
  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    That is an analogy that I had not thought of.
     
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  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Now do Mitch.
     
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  21. marek

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    don't have to
    you and many, if not most here, 'do' Mitch on a regular basis... you don't need me to pile on
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Boooo! Looks like you're playing a shell game here
     
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  23. Dr. Wankler

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  24. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    I really think Schumer is making a pretty big political mistake not owning up and apologizing. He’s opened up the entire Democratic Party to both sides responses when Trump publicity goes after judges and witnesses

    Mistake 1)making such a silly comment in the first place.
    Mistake 2) letting your spox make a childish response to the criticism on Twitter
    Mistake 3)getting into a tit for tat but what about Trump with Roberts

    A simple apology ends this story within hours.
     
  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    He just apologized, didn't he?
     

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