The US Supreme Court Thread - Post Roe v. Wade reversal edition

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  1. yossarian

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    My boss (Senator Wyche Fowler) voted for Thomas. And while I won't reveal any of the details of conversations myself and a couple other staff members had with him, it was not a vote he was happy about. In fact, he and Sam Nunn both voted for Georgia native Thomas. He then lost his reelection bid in 1992 (in a runoff), so he was out of the Senate long before Alito was nominated to the Supreme Court.

    Worth noting that Alito was confirmed to the Third Circuit by unanimous consent in 1990---a year Dems controlled the Senate. It's an example of how circuit court nominations weren't really fought back then unless there was a huge red flag.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    How many votes were needed to confirm back then? Now I think it's simple majority.
     
  3. charlie15

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    I can understand how and why voting against Thomas was a tough call for Dems back then. Too bad the Anita Hill story was not given more attention though. Thomas has been a complete disgrace and embarrassment.
     
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  4. Yoshou

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    Uh... What? Anita Hill was headline news and she testified before the Judicial Committee in Thomas's nomination hearings. What happened is that her testimony was discounted because she had no actual evidence supporting her claims. In a lot of ways, Thomas was given a pass because he was Black and he was replacing Thurgood Marshall.
     
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  5. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    That is what I meant....She was in the news indeed but her testimony was not taken seriously enough by the Senators. Joe Biden, iirc, himself may have said something to that extent.
    That Thomas has taken Thurgood Marshall seat is simply sickening.
     
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  6. Yoshou

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    OK. You meant to say it was a shame that Hill's story wasn't believed, not that it didn't get enough attention. In that case, I agree. Hill's story should have been disqualifying, but here we are.
     
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  7. yossarian

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    Agreed, she should have been taken even more seriously than she was, but I'll add from being there, Thomas was on track to sail through confirmation fairly easily before her allegations arose. She actually made the vote fairly close.
     
  8. soccernutter

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    Yeah, this is how I remember it. And when Hill became widely known, it became "Do you go with the Black man or the Black woman?" Personally, I was leaning towards Hill because I just couldn't believe that she would lie about that coke can thing.
     
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  9. yossarian

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    She was very reluctant to come forward. Her FBI vetting interview got leaked to the press and all hell exploded.
     
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  10. superdave

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    It was a different era. I wouldn’t be so sure she wasn’t believed, or even be sure she wasn’t taken seriously. This was almost a decade before Clinton’s impeachment was about perjury and obstruction, but not about abuse of staff.
     
  11. taosjohn

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    That was also back when "when in doubt, believe the woman" was still a pretty safe approach if you couldn't find any other.
     
  12. yossarian

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    Purely anecdotal, but my take from being there was that many of the Dems who still ended up voting for Thomas did so purely for political lifespan reasons, not because they found Professor Hill lacking in credibility.

    And no, I'm not defending that rationale.
     
  13. superdave

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    So Kim Kardashian is now a law school graduate.

    It’ll be hilarious when Thomas and Alito resign in September 2028 because the polls show the Dem has a huge lead, and Trump nominates Kim K to replace one of them.
     
  14. dapip

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    The fall towards Idiocracy is happening at dizzying speed.
     
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  15. soccernutter

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    #3515 soccernutter, May 22, 2025
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    In a surprise, SCOTUS upholds a lower court decision that a religious charter school cannot get public funding.

    https://apnews.com/article/supreme-...arter-school-170e3701926e29ea5072eb50f0db97b6

    You should read it. Oh, hell, let me quote the ruling.

    The judgment is affirmed by an equally divided Court.

    Profound (yes, I know, this is far from unusual). But, of note, ACB abstained.

    https://apnews.com/article/supreme-...arter-school-170e3701926e29ea5072eb50f0db97b6

    Only eight of the nine justices took part in the case. Justice Amy Coney Barrett didn’t explain her absence, but she is good friends and used to teach with Notre Dame law professor Nicole Garnett, who has been an adviser to the school.

    ...

    The court, following its custom, did not provide a breakdown of the votes. But during arguments last month, four conservative justices seemed likely to side with the school, while the three liberals seemed just as firmly on the other side.


    That left Chief Justice John Roberts appearing to hold the key vote, and suggests he went with the liberals to make the outcome 4-4.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Recusing. What a novel concept, eh Clarence?
     
  17. Yoshou

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    Speaking of which! SCOTUS was unable to reach quorum because 5 of the 9 Justices recused themselves and 6 Justices are required for quorum. ACB, Sotomayor, KBJ, and Gorsuch recused themselves because they have book deals with Penguin Books and the case involved their parent company. Alito also recused himself, but the reason isn't clear.

    The case involved the dismissal of a copyright lawsuit where an other accused several other authors of directly lifting paragraphs from a book he wrote.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...book-publisher-case-affect-quorum/ar-AA1F5qtU
     
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  18. yossarian

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    She recused, which (sorry to be ticky tacky) is different from abstaining. Shows she actually has some ethics. Thomas and Alito ask: what's that?
     
  19. soccernutter

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    As I was typing, I'm going "abstain is not right..Whatever."
     
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  20. Dr. Wankler

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    Ironic AF that a Trump appointee has a higher ethical character than two guys appointed by Bush I and Bush II
     
  21. Dr. Wankler

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    Dude, NEVER, EVER, EVER do a "WHATEVER on a legal thread. Yossarian is in the house.
     
  22. song219

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    The MAGAs are already outing her as a RADICAL LEFT!! jurist.
     
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  23. soccernutter

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    But...but...it depends. ;)
     
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  24. soccernutter

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    They've been going after her for a while. Caught something on twitter a couple (?) weeks ago calling her a communist or something similar.
     
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  25. Dr. Wankler

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    Careful: you don't want the mods to come down on you for mocking our incontinent Commander in Chief.
     
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