The US Supreme Court Thread - Post Roe v. Wade reversal edition

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  1. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad she's doing this, but she hasn't been relevant since The Rose and wasn't relevant before that since Bugle Boy. Two hits. And The Rose was sappy af.

    They ain't listening. The worst thing you can say to a conservative bully is, "Shame on you!" Bullies love that shit.
     
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  2. bigredfutbol

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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    Define "relevant."

    She had a very successful movie career through the 80s and into the 90s, and she won a Tony on Broadway just a few years ago.
     
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  3. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Well, she's clearly more popular than I thought.

    I still don't think it's going to work.
     
  4. ToMhIlL

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    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    I don't know how "relevant" Randy Rainbow is (never heard of him until people started posting on this forum), but his videos are funny as hell...

    Any public figure who speaks out about stuff like that is OK by me.

    Except for LeBron, he should stick to playing basketball :ROFLMAO:
     
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  5. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    In assessing her relevance one also has to weight Barry Manilow's whole career as well. It was as her accompanist in the bathhouses of Manhattan that he first attracted attention. They both became lbtg... icons and she simultaneously a big hetero icon with the kinda casual "Playboy" fan crowd. In 1974 she was considered hotter than hot by both groups, one of the few to manage that.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

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    @diablodelsol I promise you I am not playing games with your heart.

     
  7. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
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    Manchester United FC
    Now this is something independents will absolutely get behind. If done properly, this could have legs for Dems.
     
  8. ElNaranja

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    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    I don't think you can do term limits without an amendment? The most creative solution I've seen is say doubling or tripling the size of the bench and have them on the appellate as senior judges or whatever and every term a random pull is made of say 13 to work cases at that level. Next term? New batch.

    The ethics and limiting what they can rule on Congress absolutely can do.

    There is 0 chance any of that is deemed Constitutional by this group though. It's a challenge to their power and they'll strike it down.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    This is something I've been arguing forlornly for years.

    You can't undo an electoral autocracy simply by voting and proposing reforms. This Court is corrupt and operating wildly outside the constitution already. It's a naked power grab. You have to crush them and reform the court. The constitutional breach already happened. None of what is happening now is democratic.

    IMO the failing of the Biden admin was believing a pivot to normal could fix any of this.
     
  10. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Already commented on a different thread.

    This is the ultimate try to look like you’re doing something without actually doing it…which is weird because you have to actually put this out there and you still get the backlash you are supposedly going to get on the subject….when you again…propose nothing.

    The constitution is clear. Judges serve while they remain in good standing. Legislation to change that goes nowhere. You could have the legal equivalent of 9 r Randy Rainbows on the court…and this legislation goes nowhere. At every single federal level challenged….it would lose unanimously.
     
  11. bigredfutbol

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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    The realist in me says you’re correct.

    The hopeful cynic in me says that we only need voters to not realize this reality until after the election.

    The wannabe hard nosed political observer in me wants to note that politics is about signaling intentions and motivating supporters as well as proposing achievable policy goals.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Belgium
    I think it's just half arsed

    In any functional democracy corrupt Clarence and his insurrection wife would be in criminal jeopardy

    As @American Brummie has pointed out, at some point states and the federal executive have to refuse to go along with this farce.

    The other way this happens historically, is the citizens come out in the street. Democracy etc is a shared hallucination. The corrupt court only has power so long as everyone still goes along with it.

    IMO the greatest failing of the Biden admin is that it has continued to treat a fascist movement as legitimate. Germany is facing the same questions BTW. In many respects it doesn't make sense to wait until the fascists have real power - makes more sense to crush them earlier.
     
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  13. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    The constitution is garbage and it's nearly impossible to change. I think violent conflict will be necessary to change our rotten system of government (not predicting it will happen anytime soon).
     
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  14. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Or…Biden could propose legislation that could actually reform the court…and make these 6 jagoffs irrelevant.
     
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  15. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    I saw go with the 13 justices for 13 circuits plan. That would then let him pick 4. Long as we have the Senate, we can then say scoreboard.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Or just make them irrelevant and start again

    The fixation on impossible legislative modes was always the problem and is exactly how creeping fascism wins.
     
  17. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    The US government as a whole from the Constitution to its construction was really never built to deal with one party being full on into fascism. And since that one party is made that move everyone from the press to the politicians to the courts have failed to meet the moment.
     
  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Hot take: the US Constitution was explicitly designed to accommodate an authoritarian minority party that would have embraced fascism today were it still around.
     
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  19. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    A country led by Rich white men owning land only? You're not wrong.
     
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  20. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Except that it was designed with the (forlorn) hope that there would never be parties; that things would be run by the smartest, most experienced guys in each city/town/precinct/county and that those guys would be men of goodwill whose prudence in protecting their own property would simultaneously protect everyone else's...

    Which I suppose actually is a benign sort of fascism. Except for the peaceful transfer thingy...
     
  21. bigredfutbol

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    I can get with calling the Federalists elitist authoritarians, but fascism is strongly based in anti-intellectualism and appeals to emotion, and has a strong populist element as well. Both of those things were anathema to the Federalists.

    BUT...who knows what those people would believe if they were here now.
     
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  22. bigredfutbol

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    As noted above--I can agree that they would have embraced hardline authoritarianism today given that the alternative would be <shudders> pluralistic democracy </ohthehorror> but I'm not sure fascism per se would be their jam.
     
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  23. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    But maybe not so much to the Anti-federalists// Democratic Republicans, and they had a considerable part in the Founding too.

    I mean Jefferson tried to be an intellectual and Renaissance man; but he believed in some of the weirdest shit you can imagine-- centaurs and mountains of salt-- and was in no way above appeals to emotion nor immune to them himself.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Increasing the court size is constitutional, but won't pass with out control of Congress and removing the filibuster.

    So just like the 5% cap on rent increases, this is just BS.

    But if it helps get some svckers to vote Democrat, so be it.
     
  25. ceezmad

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    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    But the result of that conflict could leave us much worse off.

    Just like a constitutional convention could come up with a much more conservative constitution draft.
     

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