The US Supreme Court Thread - Post Roe v. Wade reversal edition

The thing I don't understand is why Mitt and Jeb and Haley and their ilk are willing to be the bitch of some unemployed meth enthusiast from Ohio. What's in it for them?

 

Which is funny because before the public is let lose against minority populations, the party first cleaned house. And I don't mean sending them to the unemployment line.

 

Got to say it. That’s exactly how it went with some country in the 1930s.

 

I have a theory…the comparisons to Nazi Germany are not unreasonable. One of the biggest weaknesses in the comparison is the difference between a 10 year old democracy and a 250 year old democracy.

Here’s the thing…our 250 years gives us an advantage because people expect democracy here in a way that they didn’t in Germany. OTOH it’s a disadvantage too since (IMO) our elites are vastly underrating the tail end risk of the US becoming like Hungary or Turkey, a backsliding democracy. They’re complacent as hell.

 

This has happened in a lot of countries (and Hungary is the canary in the coal mine): it's happened in India*, Turkey (though Erdogan has hinted at retirement), Israel, and others. A lot of this has had to do with educational polarization and urban vs rural polarization, as well as autocrats being stunningly effective at getting the populace to hate "the other."

It's less stark in the US, but its getting worse as racial polarization is weakening and being replaced by educational polarization.

As far as the Supreme Court goes, it's just a terribly designed institution.

*speaking of Nazis, the BJP/RSS are absolutely terrifying. They're building literal concentration camps, and they've started to integrate into Western systems in such a way that pushing back against their excesses will be extremely difficult as they become more visible.

 

Certainly a large part of the country has experience with this anyway. Look at the former confederacy from about 1880 to the 1960's.

 

It was IMNSHO less a matter of "10 year old" and more a matter of "imposed on a culture with a thousand years' training in absolute obedience." Weimar was up against a population who did not like being asked to take control and responsibility for their own governance. They pretty much resented being constantly pestered to make choices and exercise judgement, because there was supposed to be a hierarchy of leadership to take care of all that for them.

"Just obeying orders" had been a completely valid defense for generations of Germans back to the time of the Golden Horde and beyond... It was puzzling and shocking to be told at Nuremberg that it suddenly was not. The guys who advanced it and were convicted despite it were pretty much all astonished that it was not accepted, and felt unfairly treated, put upon.

 

Good point the German and Italy to a lessor extent came at a rush comparatively. Weak government, working conditions, old world hierarchy etc.

For the US though that 250 years has made it complacent.
It can never happen here!
But it has been building here just since the event of Trump, approx 18 years.
IF he does get in this time he’s already stated that things will change. Stating the obvious DOJ, FBI, SCOTUS, plus his use of the military, end of NATO et al.
The noisy aggressive minority vs the complacent, compliant majority.
It’ll be a planned process I’m sure, then who will you have to complain to?

 

There’s a group called Hoosier Jews for Choice. I’m sure y’all can figure everything out for that.

Anyway they just won a court case saying Indiana’s abortion laws challenge their freedom of religion.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/where...ligious-freedom-grants-them-right-to-abortion

 

It seems the Dobbs decision does indeed have geographically far-reaching implications.

If you're wondering what "aggravated homosexuality" is, which gets you executed:

So, if you're gay and have HIV - death!
Gay and have a disability - death!
Gay and old - death!


This is the future for LGBT+ people in the USA under Republicans. Alito and Thomas will be very proud of their influence, I'm sure.

 

This might not be the best thread, but here it goes:

Dawn Staley says transgender should be allowed to play women’s sports, and vis-versa.

I did NOT see that coming. Also to say so leading into the most hyped US sports event of the year is super impressive. She used this moment for maximum effect. She welcomes the distraction. The Iowa coach declined to comment.

 

Staley's gonna be like Nick Saban, getting the top recruits in any case. But I just don't think this is 100% about her values. She absolutely remembers how her team got physicaled out of their game by Iowa last year. She sees the future and is not about to get left behind. Welcoming all will help her stay at or very near the top.

 

Whatever her motivations, she is by all means a stout Christian in the Black church. It is a very unpopular position in that circle, and I’m glad that the reality of her life situation has pushed her to this conclusion, even if it is a bit self-serving. If being half-heartedly welcoming to a minority that suffers severe discrimination and high suicide rates, I still consider it a huge step in the right direction. The fight for transgender acceptance doesn’t need purity contests at the moment.

 

It is. As I've said before, 400+ years of miseducation is a mofo.

Fair enough.

So much this.

 

How TF does autocorrect go to curcke instead of circle?

 

I saw that, but I don't correct people's quotes outside of in a FTFY way. "Circus" kinda makes sense. In one way, faith as a placebo has given Black folks a lot of strength to withstand so much torment, but it came backloaded with having to accept a lot of country-ass shit that hurts both them (abortion) and other people (homophobia, sexism). Those views keep your church from being High Church.

If Black folks are gonna attend church --and they are-- Black-conferenced (no White aegis, like Catholics, Presbyterians, S-DAs or United Methodists have) churches have a responsibility to reject fundamentalism and most forms of conservatism. Something closer to UU than snake handler, a better church without its Bible than with it...

 

I didn't know that Uganda was part of the United States.

 

That's just it, their justices explicitly cited Dobbs as justification to execute gays. What the US Justices say and do has far-reaching impact.